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The 202 has a VERY good potential, but it needs work. The ports are very different from a standard 998 head, I don't agree with you there.

Oh, one more thing. I'd have the head bead blasted or soda blasted around the notch in the exhaust seat. They easily crack because of this and if it has, it's so futile spending hours and money on it.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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On 4th Mar, 2011 Vegard said:
soda blasted around the notch in the exhaust seat. They easily crack because of this and if it has, it's so futile spending hours and money on it.


Soda blasted like pour some Hey Cola on it ?

I'll try it.

Fab, yes I didn't want to spend on it and by the way I have a 295 and a small valves 940 available but I might had I am not too keen on big bore head on SBU, this is my (stupid) ethics.

This is a side project, worked on at nights so the only thing it could take is money but I'll try to spend on tools rather on machining

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They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"


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*Jester* For 424 euros you can drive yourself to me and back *tongue*

Anyway, a gearbox from the UK to me is 30Ģ (40euros??). a cylinderhead takes up a litle less space, but i donīt think it is any heavier. Might try a different shipping company or plan your summer vacation in wonderfull Denmark :)


On 3rd Mar, 2011 Advantage said:
That's very kind of you but carrying an heavy item abroad can prove very expensive as I just checked.

It would be 424 euros to Danemark and back wich shall allow me to buy a neway set or have those done with proper tools ( *wink* )

If i have more toys than you when i die, I WIN


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Sounds interesting but I have 3 heads to do anyway so I'll see if I can find a good and not too expensive machinist or buy a set of Neway (don't tell Vegard)

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On 23rd Jun, 2008 paul wiginton said:

They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"


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Sodablasting is a process where sodium bicarbonate is applied against a surface using compressed air. An early use was to restore the Statue of Liberty in the late 1980s.[1]

Sodablasting is a non-destructive method for many applications in cleaning, paint stripping, automotive restoration, industrial equipment maintenance, rust removal, graffiti removal, molecular steel passivation against rust, oil removal by saponification and translocation, masonry cleaning and restoration, soot remediation, boat hull cleaning and for food processing facilities and equipment.

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On 23rd Jun, 2008 paul wiginton said:

They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"


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usually I like spotting a big crack ...


On my way to search what has been said on how to treat one of those ...

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On 23rd Jun, 2008 paul wiginton said:

They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"


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If that is a crack, and not just a "cut" throw the head in the bin. Have it blasted to determine properly.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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My english show its lacks here, what is the difference between a crack and a cut ?

The depth of the damage ?

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On 23rd Jun, 2008 paul wiginton said:

They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"


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On 17th Mar, 2004 Vegard said:
I just received a cracked 1275 head. I did carve out the seats to fit hardened seats and then had it pressure tested. No leaks at all.

Do this, and you'll find out if it's scrap or not.


as seen in http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=853

So is your advice of binning the head in regard to the cost involved ?

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They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"


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three weeks and nothing going on, you're wasting your time with this head! it's scrap


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Not posting does not mean nothing is going on.

I am working on the head and related stuff (such as relations to have the work done on a budget) as a draft for the 12G295 so I am not gonna bin it for a yes or a no.

But anyway, by my standart, 3 weeks is not too bad ;-D

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They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"


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I would put these effort into a 12g295..., Not my time though, your home your rules
cheers
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The 202 was for pepping up my 998 in N/A on the cheap.
Slightly bigger valves, flowed and polished chambers, high comp.
I was expecting 55 bananas or so (with an MD 256).

Now that it is officially out of business, the other option is my 295.
Quite bigger valves, flowed and polished chambers, lowish comp.
I don't know what to expect while it is still N/A (and it is likely it shall stay like that for a pair of years ...)

Don't know if it is better to keep the standart head ...

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They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"


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Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM


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Thank you Robert.

Due to me not blasting the head as a starting point, I later found a crack.

Now I wonder if my 998 in N/A form is better with a high comp 202 (say 10,5) or a low comp 295 (say 9,4).

What is everybody's opinion ?

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They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"


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9.4 is right with a 256 cam, you'll not see any difference


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That is good news.

It'll save head removal when I go turbo then (but will ask for the IC straight away)

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On 23rd Jun, 2008 paul wiginton said:

They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"


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ive just got one of these myself today. anyone got any tips of where to remove the material from in the chambers???

one day boost will be mine!

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TBH peple stick it everywhere... and theres merits to each...


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I did as per Vizard's recommendation.
I really recomend the purchase of the book : tuning the A-series engine (AKA the yellow bible)

The idea is to enlarge with a rad ius of 0,85 around the inlet valve within the gasket area.
Can't recall the radius around the exhaust thought ...

The cutting has to be at an angle from the roof of the chamber.

Vizard explains it much better than I do, really ...

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On 23rd Jun, 2008 paul wiginton said:

They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"


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And by the way, the 202 is off to my dad's place to try welding it.

I'll keep you posted of the progress

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On 23rd Jun, 2008 paul wiginton said:

They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"


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On 27th Mar, 2011 Advantage said:
And by the way, the 202 is off to my dad's place to try welding it.

I'll keep you posted of the progress


Welding a seat is useless. You cannot properly cut the seats afterwards because of the hard metal (weld) If you still do weld it have a seat fitted, if not the valve seat will wear unevenly and wear out in no time.

Great stuff eeh..

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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thanks for the advice and the added picture, speaks a thousand words !

so, about the welding, I have been told about arc and sticks of cast iron (we have an arc welder) but my dad is more keen on oxy acetylene to create a pool of metal in fusion (he knows his way with welding but has not done any heads so far)

To your knowledge, wich one has the most chances of succeeding ?

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On 23rd Jun, 2008 paul wiginton said:

They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"


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On 5th Mar, 2011 stevieturbo said:

I wouldnt necessarily worry too much about the cracks between the valve seats. I ran mine for a very long time like that, and it never seemed to get much worse. Detonation is the main cause though.


How about that ?

I am tempted to do a quick valve job and hope for the best !

Edited by Advantage on 12th Apr, 2011.

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They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"

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