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Green paint? I thought that was for painting your garden shed with?


See a picture of a 4 bolt main cap, the next step from a strap.

Edited by Tom Fenton on 22nd Apr, 2005.


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i'v done a bit of research and does anyone see a problem with fitting a complete stud girdle wich links all three mainbearing caps 2gether? I'v seen it done on 350 chev motor and it made a huge difference! My only consern would be clearences with the gearbox.
Does anyone think there would be great benafit from doing this or would it just be overkill??

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I think the crank would also hit it,

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Ive seen these made for rover v8's when they heavily moddifyed are producing enough power to twist the block completely.

Im not sure out litle a-serise can do that and if it could im sure the 3 bearing crank would break before the block twists out of shape.


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yea, good point, my engine isnt going 2 b "that" work'd so there realy isnt much point

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On 22/04/2005 16:08:27 Jimster said:

dave, how many gallons of that green paint do you use a year?


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On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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An old thread revived but had a similar question - didnt want to do another topic on it.

What do you make of this?

http://www.minispares.com/Product.aspx?ty=...204%20BOLT%20TY

Bearing in mind you can also get the same from here:

http://www.med-engineering.co.uk/product_d...79&vlang_id=323

Its not MED who are supplying the cap but another company (who I wont name) but the price is very very similar.

The company have also charged for honing the block elsewhere in their quotation, so am I right in thinking that this basically equates to 125 quid just to drill two holes? *surprised*

Whats your thoughts on this??

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The MED price includes the line-boring of the mains whereas the Minispares price is just the cap.

Honing the block refers to the cylinder bores and is not the same as line-boring the mains.

I know because I collected my block with a 4 bolt main from MED yesterday.

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Ahh I see. Getting confused between the two *Confused*

When they say bore and hone block, what is honing the cylinders?

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Honing is the final stage of finishing the cylinder bores after boring.

It's done with a special grinding machine and ensure pefectly round and straight bores to a very high accuracy. Plus it leave the bore surface with a hatched finish good for sealing the rings.

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Is it actually worth the extra money and getting all 3 steel main caps, or just the 4 bolt centre cap?

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On 29th Nov, 2008 mini_surfari said:
Is it actually worth the extra money and getting all 3 steel main caps, or just the 4 bolt centre cap?


Only if you are planning on over 300hp in my opinion.

It's questionable whether you need the centre one. A number of TM member are running 200hp and using a strap.

I suppose it depends on the amount of high power usage that the engine is going to get.

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Oh right, cheers, i think i may just go 4 bolt main, im not going anywhere near 300, on my build, more 120hp.

Thanks very much.

On 29th Nov, 2008 Paul S said:

On 29th Nov, 2008 mini_surfari said:
Is it actually worth the extra money and getting all 3 steel main caps, or just the 4 bolt centre cap?


Only if you are planning on over 300hp in my opinion.

It's questionable whether you need the centre one. A number of TM member are running 200hp and using a strap.

I suppose it depends on the amount of high power usage that the engine is going to get.

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at 120 i would say its debateable if you need anything other than a well sorted crank and rods for safety measures. maybe even just a strap.

a 4-bolt IMO will be abit overkill.


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Yeah fair shout, but thats only going to be for a short period of time, im hoping to slowly keep moding and changing and trying new things to up power etc. So may just do it first of so its already done, if you know what i mean.

Also i should be using a kent 310 cam so it should be a high reving engine so that extra strength in the bottom end will be piece of mind.

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some places will hone the main bearing bores to size. pretty unusual i think though.






On 29th Nov, 2008 Paul S said:
Honing is the final stage of finishing the cylinder bores after boring.

It's done with a special grinding machine and ensure pefectly round and straight bores to a very high accuracy. Plus it leave the bore surface with a hatched finish good for sealing the rings.

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Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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The design of the steel bearing caps is such that there is a fair bit of excess metal to machine off. the cap/s are normally line bored to remove the largest chunk of the metal, then finished off to size by line hone.

A high rev motor, I would recommend the four bolt center cap, but I do think replacing all three caps a bit OTT. For an engine that will never see high revs, a steel strap is good enough, but then, there are those who just use the standard cap with decent bolts.

Dont forget to read the thread about mains bolts as well, the ones that come with these strap/ cap kits are shite!

A four bolt cap is like purchasing an insurance policy against failure

Edited by Sprocket on 29th Nov, 2008.

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Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Which thread is this?

What is wrong with them?

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http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=154716

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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So, now I've quit using main straps after seeing this:



That's my own racing engine.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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What rpm was that spinning too?

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yeah I gave it all a good prodding


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On 8th Nov, 2011 minimole23 said:
What rpm was that spinning too?


7300 max.

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On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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To be honest looking at the size of a standard cap I'd be suprised if it would move anyway, fit some decent dowels and I'd say you'll be ok up to 8k. Well I have been with standard cap anyway.

Edited by minimole23 on 8th Nov, 2011.

On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding


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So you are going to stop using steel straps because you have seen how rough your crank if finished off, lol

how many meetings did it take for the crank to look that rough,lol

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