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Ben H

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At this rate Wil, you might have to change you sig.

On 8th Jun, 2012 wil_h said:
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Project '64 Latest figures- 282hp @ 8800!!!! Testing resumes but now with methanol!!!!

Edited by Ben H on 8th Jun, 2012.

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John

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Perhaps:-

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You need over 30psi to get to that power by my calcs. certainaly doable.

Good luck to them, it's a great project.

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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On 8th Jun, 2012 gr4h4m said:
Who was this?


"We had a guy in England tell us we'd need 250-horsepower to make a body shape like the Mini's go at the speed we wanted. We have more horsepower than that," Mr Orton said.

Peter AKA Mini1071s????................

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


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Yep I agree with TD........


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Some one on here calculated the frontal area of a mini along with a graph of power vs top speed because i used to have it (before both my hard drives failed in the space of a couple weeks)
i cant find any trace of the thread though

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wil_h

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Here you go

here you go. I forgotton about this. 160mph (their aim) needs maybe a bit more than they have. But they have made some aero improvements.

BHP____Speed
29.69___70
44.32___80
63.1____90
86.56___100
115.21__110
131.64__115
149.57__120
190.17__130
237.51__140
292.13__150
354.54__160
425.26__170
504.8___180
593.7___190
692.46__200

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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If I wasn't in summer school I'd take a road trip to go see that thing run! Although I must say he should come do the Texas Mile and see what it's really made of!

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Wil, Im guessing those power figures will vary depending on weight?

I seriously doubt it!


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is weight that much of a factor once moving at speed?

one day boost will be mine!

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John

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I think it will have some bearing especially with the rolling resistance on the salt flats.

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It alters power to weight ratio so gives more power at speed if the car is lighter. Although apparently you want a heavyish car for Bonneville

I seriously doubt it!


Ben H

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Weight has no effect on top speed, just the amount of time it takes to get there. It is purely power against resistance. Over about 80mph (on normal surface) the rolling resistance of the car becomes insignificant compared to the air resistance. Although minis seem to be unaerodynamic, their frontal area is quite small and it is easy to reduce drag.

Good luck to them though the figures Wil has are following rules of thumb and assumptions (best guesses) on drag and frontal area so anything is possible.

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paul wiginton
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Really? If a car is geared for 130mph, for example, the weight of the car could stop it actually reaching that speed surely

I seriously doubt it!


John

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put it this way. dads old transit. 80 on the flat no problem empty. with 700kg's of sand it it wouldn't top 65!

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The physics are simple,

Weight determines acceleration (F=ma) until drag reduces F

Drag predominantly controls top speed.

Drag is mostly aerodynamics but there are a few other effects (as previously mentioned) such as rolling resistance, thinks like tyres, ie underinflated, also how level is the road, ie, weight has a significant effect even on the tiniest of slopes.

But on a smooth level surface, drag is predominatly aerodynamics and weight is irrelevant.

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Ben H

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At those sort of speeds rolling resistance is more of a factor. But given a long, straight, flat road and terminal velocity should be the same regardless of weight.


On 8th Jun, 2012 John said:
put it this way. dads old transit. 80 on the flat no problem empty. with 700kg's of sand it it wouldn't top 65!

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When the Jag XJ220 body design was finalised and they didnt want anybody to see it yet they put the full running gear in a transit fort testing, the speed figures and accelleration figures were identical upto well over 150mph, so odd things happen with aero v speed v weight

I seriously doubt it!


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Weight vs power at combe the pug would pull to 6100+ rpm in 4th with all weight out down the main strait but with seats and spair ect in it wouldnt reach 6000rpm.
When trying to max speed runs with no weight i managed 109 on gps on flat and 101 with weight in on flat

i recon they could do it but they kept the seams which i thought was funny

One thing im suprised about is no one has bought up mr benross and his top speed runs he has done from what i have heard also similar power.

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"odd" things will happen at very high speeds because other "drag" factors start to come into play. At our sort of speeds, drag is 95% aerodynamic and weight is irrelevant for top speed, and weight is only relevant for acceleration.

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I hope they make it.

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is there a build thread or some more info anywhere?


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It's all a bit limited regardng details, best place if to check the facebook page.

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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all the best to them! the build pictures look great!

bit off topic but this is a bit scary in a fiesta, cant imagine 160mph in a mini!

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On 14th Mar, 2012 mw3 said:
Got a nice big delivery from Carl at Force Racing today.


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That fez is mad, i've watched the videos of it's quarter mile times. It spends most of the time spinning up!

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