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 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
8th Mar, 2007 at 09:47:17am
On 8th of Mar, 2007 at 09:10am robert said:
oi no congrats :??   Sorry, been working away. CONGRATULATIONS. Glad to hear that your vital organs are still in one piece and not pierced by shrapnel from an exploding clutch! Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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 6743 Posts Member #: 828 Post Whore uranus |
15th Apr, 2007 at 02:44:29pm
now working fine on 150 bhp . Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM |
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 2909 Posts Member #: 83 Post Whore Glasgow, Scotland |
20th May, 2007 at 09:59:29pm
glad to hear it, and hope you dont mind but heres my effort not attached the bit the friction surface rubs against yet as i need to get some good quality small high tensile bolts, but the springs and retaining ring are installed :)
turbo 16v k-series 11.9@118.9 :)
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6743 Posts Member #: 828 Post Whore uranus |
21st May, 2007 at 08:23:40am
not at all evo ,more power to your elbow !!,find somewhere to balance it too cos mine was well out !
Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM |
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 1497 Posts Member #: 100 Parisien Turbo Expert Paris\' suburb |
15th Aug, 2007 at 05:47:50pm
On 21st of Jul, 2006 at 10:51am robert said:
if we use this formula from peters link . (od+id)/4=average radius of the disc.. and torque capacity=no of friction surfaces*radius in feet*coeff of friction*pressure. then imeasure my old turbo plate at 181mm od132.38 id... so .257ft is our ''r'' so hypotheticaly just as a test 2*.257*.25*1000=128.5lb/ft sooo if we increase pp to 1500 lbs lets see if that gives us a 50 percent increase in line with the pp increase 2*.257*.25*1500=192.75lb/ft hmm seems so lets try 2000 2*.257*.25*2000=257lb/ft ok so thats clear , then lets try a 1500lb effect pp with the 190mm plate assuming a width similar to the 180 plate gives 190+140 so .270 ft so 2*.270*.25*1500= 202.5 lb/ft hmmmmm how much torque is a 200 bhp min putting out ,any graphs anyone ? if we replace the 0.25 organic plate with a 0.4 one in this formulae, the 128.5 lb/ft become 200+?? late valeo friction plates ,G5 ones ( f491), are 0.4µ and availables for mini clutchs, what's your though? |
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6743 Posts Member #: 828 Post Whore uranus |
15th Aug, 2007 at 07:34:38pm
sounds good fab ... how do you know the .4 spec ? Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM |
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1497 Posts Member #: 100 Parisien Turbo Expert Paris\' suburb |
15th Aug, 2007 at 09:19:33pm
from valeo:
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Forum Mod 10979 Posts Member #: 17 ***16*** SouthPark, Colorado |
15th Aug, 2007 at 10:08:49pm
Well, that isn't a clutch I'd like to use...
On 17th Nov, 2014 Tom Fenton said:
Sorry to say My Herpes are no better Ready to feel Ancient ??? This is 26 years old as of 2022 https://youtu.be/YQQokcoOzeY |
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1497 Posts Member #: 100 Parisien Turbo Expert Paris\' suburb |
15th Aug, 2007 at 10:40:38pm
Dave,
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 2514 Posts Member #: 1217 I like nice quiet girly Minis Cheltenham, Gloucestershire |
16th Aug, 2007 at 09:51:59am
Interesting ......
Every day is a school day ...........
On 27th of Sep, 2007 at 12:45pm Jimster said:
why do you you think I got a girlfriend with small hands? |
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Site Admin  15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
16th Aug, 2007 at 04:23:21pm
On 16th of Aug, 2007 at 09:51am RogerM said:
At this time there is no clutch that allows the true potential of a turbo'd A series to be used I wouldn't go that far, a double grey and paddle most definately does the job, however the effect on the thrust washers is the problem.
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
I refuse to pay for anything else Like fuel 😂😂 |
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 6962 Posts Member #: 507 Fastest A Series Mini in the World leeds/wakefield. |
16th Aug, 2007 at 04:56:11pm
On 16th of Aug, 2007 at 04:23pm Tom Fenton said:
On 16th of Aug, 2007 at 09:51am RogerM said:
At this time there is no clutch that allows the true potential of a turbo'd A series to be used I wouldn't go that far, a double grey and paddle most definately does the job, however the effect on the thrust washers is the problem. who is using a double gray then Tom, carl |
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450 Posts Member #: 449 Senior Member Oxford |
16th Aug, 2007 at 05:04:14pm
I will be, with a 5 finger paddle clutch |
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6962 Posts Member #: 507 Fastest A Series Mini in the World leeds/wakefield. |
16th Aug, 2007 at 05:18:58pm
On 16th of Aug, 2007 at 05:04pm mikemph said:
I will be, with a 5 finger paddle clutch you dont meen one of those fooking monstrosities sold by all and sundrie that weigh a ton, [ not litterally] and are about 10mm thick, Alcon, yuck and yuck again, but an AP paddle you tight sod,lol.. carl |
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450 Posts Member #: 449 Senior Member Oxford |
16th Aug, 2007 at 05:32:39pm
lol yeah thats the one. The pads are way to big. They over hang the clutch plate surfaces but I have turned these down in the lathe.
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6743 Posts Member #: 828 Post Whore uranus |
16th Aug, 2007 at 08:33:14pm
mine hasnt slipped yet rog ,time will tell if it can make the grade at higher boost. Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM |
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2514 Posts Member #: 1217 I like nice quiet girly Minis Cheltenham, Gloucestershire |
16th Aug, 2007 at 11:24:04pm
Robert, still looking forward to having a close look over your car .... if I get 5 mins!!! Please don't take offense but I don't think your power level would be stressing a grey / organic comb at all. What we need is something that will hold the torque off a 250bhp motor with ease yet your gran could drive .... maybe a dream but hey .... Every day is a school day ...........
On 27th of Sep, 2007 at 12:45pm Jimster said:
why do you you think I got a girlfriend with small hands? |
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6743 Posts Member #: 828 Post Whore uranus |
17th Aug, 2007 at 06:27:12am
nope no offence taken ,
Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM |
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2514 Posts Member #: 1217 I like nice quiet girly Minis Cheltenham, Gloucestershire |
17th Aug, 2007 at 09:31:44am
Robert, as I've said before I'd really like to try your set up and I don't doubt your calcs for 1 minute but for me the proof is always in the pudding (mmmm . chocolate cake) so I'd like to see one bolted up to a monster motor.
Every day is a school day ...........
On 27th of Sep, 2007 at 12:45pm Jimster said:
why do you you think I got a girlfriend with small hands? |
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6743 Posts Member #: 828 Post Whore uranus |
17th Aug, 2007 at 01:58:05pm
On 17th of Aug, 2007 at 09:31am RogerM said:
Robert, as I've said before I'd really like to try your set up and I don't doubt your calcs for 1 minute but for me the proof is always in the pudding (mmmm . chocolate cake) so I'd like to see one bolted up to a monster motor. The only other consideration is the mass of the unit. Whilst your set-up might well hold and the majority of people aren't going to notice the mass on a road car they might on a track car. As I say mate, not knocking you at all, just trying to play devils advocate and there is nothing wrong with inspiring health debate
damn right rog i quite agree,as you can read in this thread,im very much of the,, theory is all well and good but how well does it work in practise ,id have a higher power now but was trying to keep it on the rd box wize ... with ref to the mass , i weighed a non verto ultra light ,and it totalled 16 lbs mine is 21 lbs ,stock verto 29 ,stock non verto 32 i think . there is now available a u light verto steel fly ,but i like the mass for heat soak and inertia ,up to a point...oh and mines cheaper ! 
Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM |
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591 Posts Member #: 360 Stu from Corwall aka Mr Jazz Piano, Love_Machine, kneegrow |
17th Aug, 2007 at 03:33:36pm
On 16th of Aug, 2007 at 04:23pm Tom Fenton said:
On 16th of Aug, 2007 at 09:51am RogerM said:
At this time there is no clutch that allows the true potential of a turbo'd A series to be used I wouldn't go that far, a double grey and paddle most definately does the job, however the effect on the thrust washers is the problem. How's this for a solution? Make sure you have a suitable countersink at the pulley end of the crank. Rig up clutch cyl #2, rig a spike up and weld it to a small taper bearing, press clutch, equal pressure applied to each end of the crank= zero thrust wear. Am I good or what? Bugger off, I'm getting there. |
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Forum Mod 10979 Posts Member #: 17 ***16*** SouthPark, Colorado |
17th Aug, 2007 at 03:45:53pm
You're good. Yes. I have to say - this is one option i hadn't thought of - and I bet no-one else did.
On 17th Nov, 2014 Tom Fenton said:
Sorry to say My Herpes are no better Ready to feel Ancient ??? This is 26 years old as of 2022 https://youtu.be/YQQokcoOzeY |
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 807 Posts Member #: 224 Post Whore Katy TEXAS |
17th Aug, 2007 at 04:38:03pm
What Dave said, nice idea Stu, BTW - I took my buddy VTEC Pete out for a spin this weekend, and even though I am running her in, he gave it a name, the "Brocket"...cause I'm a brocket maaannn, nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah....
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2909 Posts Member #: 83 Post Whore Glasgow, Scotland |
25th Sep, 2007 at 07:45:17pm
bump, cheers robert for the inspiration, drover my mini with the "RTS" fitted and its working as planned, i have no idea on max torque capacity as yet as my wideband shat itself and is reporting a heater open circuit failure :(
Edited by evolotion on 25th Sep, 2007. turbo 16v k-series 11.9@118.9 :)
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6743 Posts Member #: 828 Post Whore uranus |
3rd Dec, 2007 at 09:18:48pm
blimey !!! i hadnt seen this evo ,your welcome and well done really pleased it worked for you . Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM |
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