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Astronautics engineer Jon Jennings has this week leapt on the online petition bandwagon to call for the title of "engineer" to be a protected title.
Jennings has joined an escalating list of people using 10 Downing Street's online petition trial to drum up support for his campaign to restore respect in engineers.

"Car mechanics, plumbers and electricians are now commonly referred to as engineers and banks now regard engineers as semi skilled," says his petition.
With 2,400 signatories to date, the petition already tops the "business and industry" category. But it still lags well behind the road pricing petition which received 1.7M signatories before it closed on Tuesday and even falls short of the 3,707 who want the prime minister to stand on his head and juggle ice-cream.
So if you agree that the status of the engineer is undervalued in society sign the petition:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Engineer-Status/
Oh and of course pass it on to all your engineering friends

Have to agree with this one as well

but i was an alarm engineer at my old place...does this mean i wasn't really an engineer?

I agree to some extent, but he is petitioning for only Chartered Engineers to be called "Engineer".

To my mind that would preclude too many good engineers.

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

im an engineer, but dont have a degree, so would have my title taken away. Im not signing it lol

Yes but once you got a degree/experince (as you dont need a degree to be chartered) then you would get an honoured title of being an enginer rather than every tom dick and harry getting it.

I too wouldnt have it at the moment but it would be good to work towards and make it worthwhile.

Yes and No

In the states I heard you have to pass an exam before you can call yourself an engineer (like passing the bar exam in law), other wise your just a project specilist?

I must admit that when looking for engineer in a catorgory for insurance it came up under skill manual !!! I think it should be under Professional.

I think there is a general lack of recognition / understanding of what the different levels of engineering are, what say a chartered engineer does, and what is required to be one.

I will be appling for chartership this year with the IMechE.

For me I think if I can call myself a chartered engineer this should make a difference.

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Yeah i agree its a fine line of what point you can call yourself an engineer but the principle behind the petition is correct i think.

My names on there anyway

At the moment, I am an Incorporated Engineer.

I've looked at various routes to becoming Chartered and am currently thinking about applying to the ICE on their mature candidate route. But, honestly, I can't be arse at my time of life. At the end of the day, the way I work, I'm only as good as my last job, rather than what I did at college 30 years ago.

I would recommend it to any youngsters who have the opportunity to go for it.

But if this guy gets his way, I will not be able to be call myself an engineer.

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

But to be put alongside the likes of doctors etc as a recognised profession then maybe its whats needed?

I honestly dont know the answer as to what level to bring it in at, and i can understand the fact that people dont want to loose the title they already have.

But hopefully the petition will highlight the problem and i'm sure that they wont all of a sudden say "only chartered engineers can use that title"

I'm Eng Tech at the moment but could be incorporated with the IET.

My degree which finishes next year is accreddited by the IMechE.

(btw i'm doing my degree part time whilst still working in engineering)

I remember having this discussion with somebody about 25 years ago.

Nothing has changed, except the word "engineer" is abused far more and the perceived value of what an engineer does has declined significantly.

These days, the accountants and politicians have far greater powers and the engineers role is far less significant than it ought to be.

I used to be able to promote capital projects on mainly technical merit. Nowadays the powers that be are only interested in cost and the political arguements rather than how a scheme will be engineered.

I think the problem comes from the Governments attitude to engineering and manufacturing, rather than the way the title "engineer" is used.

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

You may have guessed this but you have hit a raw nerve!

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

Your not the only person's raw nerve its hit i'm guessing.

I know TD will comment on here

I've only been in engineering for 7 years but it still annoys me.

We have often discussed this in our office, and how we could make engineering more appealing to youngsters as there seems to be a general lack of interest / knowledge in the subject as a whole.

I feel engineering degrees are up there as some of the most demanding...but with little or no recognition.

On the other hand I work with guys in there 40's and 50's that that never went to uni and have forgotten more than I know lol.

Perhap 'engineers' with 10-20 plus years in the right field at the right level should just be chartered no question asked. Then anyone with less than say 10 years should have to apply to be charted to become an engineer ?

I mean you have to start some where ?

Edited by Brocky on 28th Feb, 2007.

BTW - I took my buddy VTEC Pete out for a spin this weekend, and even though I am running her in, he gave it a name, the "Brocket"...cause I'm a brocket maaannn, nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah....

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Signed....

The Term Engineer is used far too much...

Edited by Monster22 on 28th Feb, 2007.

but the defination of a profesional is just someone who follows a code of practice!

Alex

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I'm still called an engineer but with no formal degree I don't have a leg to stand on except that my job has always been titled "engineer" even 30 years ago. However guess who the other guys with degrees and even in some cases doctorates come to when they get stuck???

35 years ago very few of us got the chance to go to Uni but there were many other ways of getting qualifications. If I was leaving school now I'm sure I would be going to Uni even though it would never be anything as good (for my chosen proffession) as the apprenticeship I did do.



I have a theory that I will one day become a Vice President of my company, not you understand that I would actually be promoted, rather that the title will eventually get down to my present level!!

Terry

Edited by Turbo Tel on 28th Feb, 2007.

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Correction

I am CALLED an "engineer" but my official grade was changed last year to "Technician"

And working in the medical field you bet your ass I can get sued!! however my company has insurance for this, well I bloody hope so anyway!!

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as a motor vehicle engineer i strongly disagree:)

I wrote a big long reply to this but I decided to delete it and replace it with the following:

If you do not consider yourself in a position to sign off technical design certificates then your not an Engineer.

Edit: despite working in aerospace engineering & being involved in engineering design reviews, I don't consider myself to be an Engineer, as at the end of the day I am not the one signing of the equipment.

Edited by Rob H on 28th Feb, 2007.

On 28th of Feb, 2007 at 02:29pm TurboDave said:

On 28th of Feb, 2007 at 11:45am iain said:

I know TD will comment on here

If you count youirself as an engineer - and aren't accredited - then you are mistaken. Simple.

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