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 2924 Posts Member #: 95 Post Whore liverpool-on-sea |
5th May, 2007 at 08:43:02pm
right im thinking of using one of those A frame things which strap onto your lower arms and then they self steer the car. for towing my mini to avon etc. now on the legal side of things i think i should be ok from what ive read is that omce you strap your car onto one it is classsed as a trailer, now on trailers over 750kgs you need brakes on them so as long as my minis under 750 kgs im legal. if the car your pulling is over 750 you can only use one as a means of recovering a broken down car.
no longer a series, but still 1.3 turbo.
On 28th Nov, 2008 Sprocket said:
Oh now that is a long shaft you have Carl. |
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 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
5th May, 2007 at 09:14:44pm
I've just been looking into this. I was thinking of towing my Mini behind my motorhome.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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2924 Posts Member #: 95 Post Whore liverpool-on-sea |
5th May, 2007 at 10:24:39pm
i thought minis were lighter than that tho? no longer a series, but still 1.3 turbo.
On 28th Nov, 2008 Sprocket said:
Oh now that is a long shaft you have Carl. |
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 4559 Posts Member #: 786 Post Whore Bermingum |
5th May, 2007 at 10:35:13pm
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
5th May, 2007 at 10:44:16pm
They base it on the maximum gross weight i.e. fully loaded.
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4559 Posts Member #: 786 Post Whore Bermingum |
5th May, 2007 at 10:53:08pm
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Forum Mod  5933 Posts Member #: 784 9 times Avon Park Class C winner Milton Keynes |
5th May, 2007 at 11:05:31pm
DONT do it if you have an LSD. It wont self steer and you wont be able to control it. This is from experience. You are fine with an open diff.
I seriously doubt it! |
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2924 Posts Member #: 95 Post Whore liverpool-on-sea |
5th May, 2007 at 11:29:17pm
wheres RogerM lol. i was gonna get my mini weighed at a local vosa place and see if they could give me a certificate to prove mini weight to keep pc plod happy but dont know if this is ok no longer a series, but still 1.3 turbo.
On 28th Nov, 2008 Sprocket said:
Oh now that is a long shaft you have Carl. |
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4559 Posts Member #: 786 Post Whore Bermingum |
5th May, 2007 at 11:32:02pm
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
5th May, 2007 at 11:57:40pm
What about the tow dolly things, where you place the cars front wheels onto the towing frame ?
9.85 @ 145mph
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
6th May, 2007 at 10:46:12am
According to the NTTA, you can only use a dolly to recover a broken down vehicle to a place of safety.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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 6274 Posts Member #: 509 Post Whore Isle of Man |
6th May, 2007 at 01:28:49pm
ive got one and they great, behind my big old volve you wouldnt even know the minis there.
"Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun"
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
6th May, 2007 at 01:43:00pm
How can an A-frame be braked when it has no wheels ?
9.85 @ 145mph
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
6th May, 2007 at 01:58:14pm
On 6th of May, 2007 at 01:43pm stevieturbo said:
How can an A-frame be braked when it has no wheels ? IMO the dolly would be better because it can be braked ? The towing hitch is sprung so that under braking it pulls a cable. This then has to be connected to the brake pedal. Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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 1451 Posts Member #: 328 Post Whore Seaford Rise, South Australia |
6th May, 2007 at 10:12:12pm
A frame is totally illegal unless you are a licensed recovery operator.
On 5th Sep, 2011 Vegard said:
I stand corrected. You should know  |
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Site Admin  15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
7th May, 2007 at 08:11:33pm
This is an interesting one, as you nowadays regularly see folks with motorhomes driving about with a Yaris/similar small car following behind on an a frame. Surely all these people are not just saying arse to the rules and doing it anyway??
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On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
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4559 Posts Member #: 786 Post Whore Bermingum |
7th May, 2007 at 08:16:28pm
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Site Admin 15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
7th May, 2007 at 08:17:53pm
Thats the rules unfortunately, they do look at gross weight regardless, rather stupic really.
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
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4559 Posts Member #: 786 Post Whore Bermingum |
7th May, 2007 at 08:28:48pm
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1451 Posts Member #: 328 Post Whore Seaford Rise, South Australia |
8th May, 2007 at 07:22:05pm
On 7th of May, 2007 at 08:11pm Tom Fenton said:
This is an interesting one, as you nowadays regularly see folks with motorhomes driving about with a Yaris/similar small car following behind on an a frame. Surely all these people are not just saying arse to the rules and doing it anyway?? The National Association seems to think so......... I have a motor home and want to tow a Fiat Seicento behind it using an A-frame. This car has a kerb weight under 750 kg so am I legal with this outfit? Sorry no is the answer. The law regards this as an unbraked trailer and you are allowed to tow up to 750 kg Gross Trailer Weight, not a car’s kerb weight. The figure you have to use is the car’s Gross Vehicle Weight or Maximum Permitted Weight. This is usually at least 300 - 400 kg more than the kerb weight. We have no knowledge of any car sold in the UK that has a GVW under 750 kg. The only vehicle we know that is completely legal to tow with an A-frame is the French Aixam small "car". This is a full four seater and details can be obtained from Aixam UK on 01926 886100. An A-frame or dolly can only be used to recover a broken down vehicle to a place of safety. Transporting a car is, therefore, illegal. A-frames may be offered with a braking system that applies the car's brakes. These do not conform to the law as the car then becomes a "braked trailer" and has to conform to European Directives contained within the Construction and Use Regulations. It does not conform to the European Directive 71/320/EEC and amendments regarding braking requirements in any way. The use of this A-frame for transportation is illegal. It is still OK for use to recover a vehicle to a place of safety. On 5th Sep, 2011 Vegard said:
I stand corrected. You should know |
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