Emerald ECU?
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Ive found this on the bay, not sure whether its worth a bid as its 10 years old and the bloke recons its triggered by the dizzy which kind of defeats the object of having the ECU..or am I mis-understanding something here?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Emerald-M3D-ECU-and-...1QQcmdZViewItem

Any opinions guys?

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i wouldnt bother to be honest mate.

you only invest in something like that once. chances are he wants a fair bit for it.

i'd save, and bite the bullet.

Older than god's dog, I wouldn't bother personally.

Are furry muff, think I'll resort to plan A) and stick with the MS option.

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i've got Omex ignition and all i would say is save up and get MS. there very similar but the MS is cheaper

Ive looked at MS, there only 100 odd quid if you assemble yourself (thats the ms1 V2.2). Just though this would be better as alot more of the RR's seem to have experience with emerald than MS.

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With the MS i think you'll be in the situation of the RR guy tels you what to stick in and you stick it in,

You should be pretty faminiar with it anyway by the time you've got it running.

Yep my thoughts exactly, although its nice for the RR guy to do it for you, as long as you are familiar with the software it is just a matter of making tweaks to the various load/speed sites as you work your way up the map. Any RR guy worth his salt will be able to quickly pick up the software so long as you have a decent laptop to take along I wouldn't worry about it.

Ah right, Ive got the MS software on my laptop. Ive had a play with it, and managed to load some of the data up etc. on a mates car.

Will the ms2 V3 software work with the m1 V2.2 unit?

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Dont forget that VEMS is also a viable option, yes i may be biased, but with on board wide band lambda and two channel EGT, knock, and stepper driver, its a fairly good package. Tuning software is Megatune and very similar to Megasquirt to set up.

I looked at the options of both and made my choice, personaly i think for the better.

Hi.,
Matty I'm fairly sure you have to use the same version of software as hardware.
+1 for VEMS The water proof box and connectors alone has to be a plus point in a Mini
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I thought I knew what I wanted. now im not sure. lol

I swear I can remember reading that Ms1 V2.2 would run spark and fueling, but reading back through it seems upgrades are needed?

Ms1 V3.0 seems to have both functions as does Ms2?

Ive looked at VEMS it seems a little more expensive and the site seems a bit of a mission to find your way around?

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Matty,

I think the V2.2 does do spark and injection, judging by this anyway.

http://www.megamanual.com/v22manual/mwire.htm#exwire

the V3 seems to just be a new revision of the pcb, details here...

http://www.megamanual.com/ms2/pcb.htm

as I understand it, there are 2 (main) pcb's V2.2 & V3.0 both do what you want but the V3 has some extra features (mainly injector driver protection.

Both can run MS1 or MS2 (different processer chips) but the V2.2 may ned some mods to do so.

Personally I will be running a V3 pcb running MS1 extra (some nice extra features in that code) until the MS2 extra is working and stable then i'll swap to that.

oh also you can use megatune on any version but you wil have to change the ini files to get it to work or something.... but esentially, yes same tuning software

Edited by Joe C on 24th Aug, 2007.

Hi,
Take a look at it's easier to work.
I think by the time you've added the useful extras to MS like wideband lamba and knock control, you're over the VEMS price?
Cheers,
Gavin :)

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on VEMS I have 8 sequential injection drivers, and up to 8 sequential ignition drivers, four low current outputs, two high current outputs, two chanel knock, two chanel wideband (one is monitoring only) two EGT chanels, four analoge input chanels, two trigger chanels VR or Hall, bipolar stepper driver.

All that onboard, in a water resistant enclosure (i still wouldnt install it in the engine bay) with IP66 automotive grade connectors. I dont think you can justify saying that its a little more expensive, well i supose it depends what you want.

I bought mine without the case, along with the LCD and iButton chips for a DIY build and that set me back £250 delivered. Had I known the major background noise of the knock detection when running straight cut drops, i would have left that off and it would have been a smidgen less. Ready built units in the UK are £350. So take your MSII and add a Wideband controller and im sure you can see which is the better package.

Im not putting MS down, its just that the development of it seems to be somewhat outdated, and having several daughter/ add on boards seems a little tedious.

I looked at the purchase as an investment, you never know the future and i wasnt going to restrict myself to two injection drivers and a series of add on boards.

Yes very true about their web site, it is utter pants!!! as is the information structure/ lack of. I went into this knowing this and yes, it has been very hard, however, i am now conversant and looking to develop my instalation further. The MPi code is something i may look at.

One thing that MS does have that Vems does not is switchable fuel tables. The reason why you need this is a mystery to me in the first place, but I could see it being implemented in Siamese code

Hmm the more I look at it the more tempted I am to get VEMS? The main worrying thing is that judging by there website there doesn't seem to be half as much info regarding problem solving etc...

What are the build instructions like for VEMS? The MS ones seem ALMOST impossible to get wrong as they seem so well thought out with regards to the way everything is labelled and packaged.

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