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right as you may know i have had problems with head gaskets, did 2 in 1 day lol at the pod and just finnished a 3rd,
had the head checked over all was well done maybe 10 miles and same again

car idles great runs well too, no oil in the water, didnt breathe heavy when it was first fired up, let it warm up at idle, then cool down took it for a spin little later (after calm warm up) and the oil system is being mega pressureised when under load
(no boost little throttle)

surely not the gasket again? theres only 1 main oil feed through the gasket isnt there?, how the hell does it find it :(

i am thinking maybe something else is very broken... i cought the topic on the broken piston (ring land?) would this couse these symtoms... only seems to be when worm tho?

and the best part......i move house in a week!!!

i need help!! (probly mental help aswell :(...)

Edited by Brett on 4th Sep, 2007.

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get another torque wrench and torque it down with it
this may well be your problem the one your using if fooked






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On 4th of Sep, 2007 at 09:39pm BENROSS said:
get another torque wrench and torque it down with it
this may well be your problem the one your using if fooked

its brand new good quality cost too much :'(lol i thought the same last time i dunno ..going to wait for few sugestions, cant do anything for 2 weeks now

just as a thought looking at the old gaskets how does it miss the water ways and blow in to the oil way? thats what leads me to think its another problem

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On 4th of Sep, 2007 at 09:18pm Brett said:


car idles great runs well too, no oil in the water, didnt breathe heavy when it was first fired up, let it warm up at idle, then cool down took it for a spin little later (after calm warm up) and the oil system is being mega pressureised when under load
(no boost little throttle)


You do not say if after you have let it cool down whether you have re torqued it.

Did you re torque the head?

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On 4th of Sep, 2007 at 09:43pm Brett said:



On 4th of Sep, 2007 at 09:39pm BENROSS said:
get another torque wrench and torque it down with it
this may well be your problem the one your using if fooked

its brand new good quality cost too much :'(lol i thought the same last time i dunno ..going to wait for few sugestions, cant do anything for 2 weeks now

just as a thought looking at the old gaskets how does it miss the water ways and blow in to the oil way? thats what leads me to think its another problem


What is the actual pressure? more than 100psi?

Did you fit a ball and spring oil relief valve?

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Hi,
Wheres the pressure build up in the actual oil as in it shows on the gauge, or in the crankcase - coming out of the breathers ?
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I think he means excessive crankcase pressure. If so it could be pistons/rings etc.

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How is the breather system set up? If you have the original setup has the one way valve failed allowing the turbo to pressurise the crankcase??


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if its read on the gauge then check the relieve valve as this governs the pressure and some times does get stuck.

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On 5th of Sep, 2007 at 07:52am Jay#2 said:
I think he means excessive crankcase pressure. If so it could be pistons/rings etc.


the oil pressure gauge stays solid about 50-55 crousing on m-way the breather(s) are vent to air through filter on timing chain cover and the oil cap on the rocker cover thats it.

the timing chain cover breather has always been a bit heavier than i would like, but i am told this is normal for this peticular engine. The breathing out of this hasnt realy changed
but the oil filler cap on the rocker cover has 2 little vents in it (that i didnt even know about) basicaly it sprays out oil like jet washer over 3-4krpm stationary and under load when moving obviously oil + turbo and manifold = smoke and a hell of a lot.
Its of the road at my aunts just round from where i am moving to so cant try any thing for 2 weeks, its going to be full rebuild me thinks
been talking it over with a mechanic mate who is turboing his civic
(after blowing a conrod from a b15 through the block at 95mph made a right mess) anyway showed him the gaskets that have come off the engine and he said same as me...cant be blowing into the oil way unless something else is mega f**cked

Edited by Brett on 6th Sep, 2007.

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Sounds like the rings are buggered.

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had almost identical issues with my first engine and this is what greeted me...




although you haven't mentioned whether you have a breather on the transfer case aswell? but for it to be spraying oil out that badly then summats gotta be fucked imo.

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On 6th of Sep, 2007 at 09:25am bud666 said:

although you haven't mentioned whether you have a breather on the transfer case aswell? but for it to be spraying oil out that badly then summats gotta be fucked imo.


no breather on transfer case pistons look good from top has been very rich tho black carbon on pistons / chambers similar to yours
and also in this topic over fueling is mentioned

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=175568

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you really need a breather on the transfer case on a 1275, infact you can't have too many imo. might be worth trying that out first, mind you if you're using a 998 transfer case then it'll mean stripping half the engine down just to drill the holes out for one.

my moneys on a blown ring or something though.

when mine did it it ran fine ( i drove it to bristol and back, work and back for 2 weeks and then santa pod and back) the only problems i had were when it was on boost it threw oil out of every hole possible, rocker cover, dipstick, breathers etc.

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On 6th of Sep, 2007 at 11:17am bud666 said:
you really need a breather on the transfer case on a 1275, infact you can't have too many imo. might be worth trying that out first, mind you if you're using a 998 transfer case then it'll mean stripping half the engine down just to drill the holes out for one.

my moneys on a blown ring or something though.

when mine did it it ran fine ( i drove it to bristol and back, work and back for 2 weeks and then santa pod and back) the only problems i had were when it was on boost it threw oil out of every hole possible, rocker cover, dipstick, breathers etc.


i will put one on the transfer case when i strip it down i think it will be rings or piston going by what u said, it seems to be at high rpm or load when it does it drives well other than the smoke without blocking the oil cap breather i cant stop it putting oil down the back of the engine

for the breather setup after rebuild what u recon on timing chain breather, crank case breather and a breather on the rocker cover(welded or something) piped up togeather through a catch tank into the manifold via a oneway valve? possibly with a return to block pipe (maybe through filter) on the catch tank?

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I would not put any breather back through the inlet on any high performance engine.
The effect of oil vapour will reduce the effective octane rating of the fuel. ie more vapour the lower the effective octane rating.
Vent it to atmosphere.
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Firstly, excess crankcase pressure isn't going to occur because there is a brake in your headgasket between a cylinder and the oilway. You've changed head gaskets a few times so we can put that to bed for the mean time. Has this developed suddenly or has the engine always been like this (is it a new build?)? If it's a sudden development then yeah it could be wholey pistons or broken/stuffed rings as has been said.

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sorry totaly mis read post doohh.

well mate i know what you are going through sounds like same as me ring or ring land probs

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