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Markie_D

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Can someone tell me what Ibf ft should these 2 bolts be please.
Cant seem to find the right torque im looking for in the haynes..
Not sure if it matters too much. but seeing this is my first time, i want to get it spot on, incase of leaks etc..
Thanks alot..
Oh yeah, nice plate mate *wink*

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Hi,
Just nip them up. You won't get any oil up there! The cove ones are more important.
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On 27th of Oct, 2007 at 01:39pm Bat said:
Hi,
Just nip them up. You won't get any oil up there! The cove ones are more important.
Cheers,
Gavin :)


Oh right, yeah guess so, durr..
Thanks for answering my silly questions *wink*
Cheers..

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You will have to take those bolts back out to fit the cover

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not if the cover is A series, or if he is running a belt drive setup*tongue*


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You running duplex as well?
You might have to take the csk holes a bit deeper. They look like theyre protruding a bit.

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Wish I had a light weight plate like that! only jesting TD *wink*
Got TD thinking of other projects..................

Edited by Jason G on 27th Oct, 2007.

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I just must say. I was fitting one of these the other day, and those press fitted bolts are fantastic. I don't care about the weight saving, but those bolts. Thanks Dave :) No more fucked up 1/4" UNF threads..

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Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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I must say I was wondering how those were fitted, look a really smart solution when I've seen one of Dave's plates.


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Id fit your crank pully before finaly tightening the cover bolts. It will center the seal. They have a tendancy to leak otherwise, and that is not so good on a belt drive set up

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Something really odd has happened. I typed something and it got pushed back an hor due to BST thingy

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Are you using Nyloc nuts? If so try using a plain nut, and a spring washer to secure it.


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Yeh those bolts look real nifty, in the right places as well where they are can be real awkward bastards when the engine is in the car.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Got problem now.
One of them press fitted bolts on the plate is giving me jib.
The bottom one in the pic.
as i tighten the nut up, the bolt keeps turning round. it's tight a little though.
All the other's are fine.
Ive tryed to get something behind the bolt to press against it as i try to tighten the nut up.. but no joy.
I stuck the plate on using the gaket and wellseal of course. then left it over night. so its nice and sticky. so dont want to start taking the plate of now.
Would it still be ok not tighened up to the 5Ibf ft. ive packed it well with wellseal. ?
if not, any other solutions ?
And im running a belt drive setup
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Something is clearly amiss here.
Why is the stud turning if the nut hasn't even bottomed out?

These studs should never spin.

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Ok, had another look - are those the nuts I provided? The only way a stud could spin is if the nut was cross-threaded (or the wrong one)and tonked up, or a nylock fitted?
One of the reasons why i send the plates with the nuts on them - it's so I know the threads are fine. They are a loose 'spin' fit onto the threads - you certainly shouldn't need a spanner / socket on them until they've bottomed out.

I am interested to see exactly what has happened here - so if you want to send me a PM, then that is fine. Alternativly - if you want to continue dealing with this on a public forum, that is also fine. I've no problem with that.

One final word though - If it's spinning, it'll always spin. I doubt it can be re-pressed in either as the alloy is formed into the stud - and if it's loose, then it has removed the material, and will not work.

All you could potentially do is to remove it and weld a 'tang' onto the back of the stud, and retain this as you spin the stud.
Again, though - I cannot understand how this has happend; but am interested to find out to see if this can be avoided in the future.

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On 27th of Oct, 2007 at 08:40pm minimadj said:
You running duplex as well?
You might have to take the csk holes a bit deeper. They look like theyre protruding a bit.


They will be fine for any duplex I've come across. Yes - They would look 'better' if the 'outer' faces of the screw head and plate were flush...
Reason they aren't 'deeper' hpwever, is because if the CS was deeper, then the end of the thread (the intersection between the taper and thread on the screw) would bottom out in the thread on the front main cap. If someone didn't realise this, they'd tighten up the screws - assume that they were nicely snugged - but in actual fact the plate wouldn't be compressing the gasket.

Easy solution (of course) is to counterdrill the 1/4" UNF holes in the cap by a few mm, or countersink them. But, it's easier for me to make it so the job is right, than to trust everyone else to realise and do something about it.

:)

Edited by turbodave16v on 28th Oct, 2007.

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It looks to me like they are nyloc nuts?


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Just about say the say Tom. We use press studs at work, they don't take too much effort to spin. Wouldn't use nylocs.
Dave supplied normal nuts with the plate in my picture.

Edited by Jason G on 28th Oct, 2007.

On 19th Jan, 2010 wil_h said:
I would start the furthest place from the finish.


On 24th Mar, 2012 apbellamy said:
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The nuts are not nyloc, it has a spring washer behind it, (ill remover them) so it looks like a nyloc nut from the picture *tongue*
I was gonna chicken out and just PM dave lol so thought i may as well come clean and tell everyone what a wanker i am..
Anyway, i got the nut off, pain in the ass, but My own fault though.
yes dave, i used a different nut, same kind of nut, but stainless steel, as ive changed most things to stainless.
the others took the stainless nuts ok, just not that one... sooooo, i put your one on dave, and guess what, it worked *blush*
What plonker rodney.
So slaging me off is welcome *frown*
But what a great bit of craftsmanship dave..
Sorry mate *wink*

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At least your honest. :)

On 19th Jan, 2010 wil_h said:
I would start the furthest place from the finish.


On 24th Mar, 2012 apbellamy said:
I feel all special knowing that I've given your mum my wood.


Been neglecting Turbo'd 'A' series..............


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Did you try 1/4UNC stainless? If you did - it should have worked? Maybe the one nut you tried was incorrectly cut - or an M6 had got mixed up in there?


No worries about this - I was sure something would be amiss. I was ready to send another plate over but hey presto, no need!


If you'd be willing - I'd appreciate some pics of the plate being fitted up - and with the belt-drive (and all bolts) fitted. The first one (but without the arrows - lol) would be ideal for one! *wink*


Edited by turbodave16v on 28th Oct, 2007.

On 17th Nov, 2014 Tom Fenton said:
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No worries mate.
Here's the plate with out the arrows *wink*
More will follow next week.
as im going back home for little while.
Cheers once again.

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Looks good :)

On 19th Jan, 2010 wil_h said:
I would start the furthest place from the finish.


On 24th Mar, 2012 apbellamy said:
I feel all special knowing that I've given your mum my wood.


Been neglecting Turbo'd 'A' series..............


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Hi,

Can anyone tell me what bolts are used to secure the cam triangle and also the 2 fixings under the crankshaft?

Minimall supply an 11 bolt kit for the plate... are these bolts for the holes around the permiter of the plate (that line up with the perimeter of the cover?) If so that totals 10, is the final one the fixing top left in the picture that secures the plate to the block?

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