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 862 Posts Member #: 1660 Formally Mini_Uk London |
15th Apr, 2008 at 04:21:17pm
Had my tracking done, which he said was 2 degrees out.
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Site Admin  15302 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
15th Apr, 2008 at 04:40:49pm
Not being funny, but uou need to get it jacked up and wobble the wheel whilst observing to see where the play is. There is no way anyone can diagnose which ball joint it is over the bloody internet! Also check track rod end and steering rack as well as ball joints.
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 7265 Posts Member #: 1268 The Boom Boom speaker Police! Essex |
15th Apr, 2008 at 04:49:36pm
From what you've said, I'd say it's the top one. lol!
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862 Posts Member #: 1660 Formally Mini_Uk London |
15th Apr, 2008 at 05:15:45pm
On 15th Apr, 2008 Tom Fenton said:
Not being funny, but uou need to get it jacked up and wobble the wheel whilst observing to see where the play is. There is no way anyone can diagnose which ball joint it is over the bloody internet! Also check track rod end and steering rack as well as ball joints. Stop getting angry tom lol I see your point. ive just jacked it up, took the wheel off and wobbled it left and right. i noticed it has something to do with the steering rack on the driver side only. it kind of has a back and forth play on it. it's not the track rod ends, as there brand new. so whats this mean then, new steering rack. I did put some of them cad spacers on there, to make it a 2,2 turn. would this course any problems.. I dont know, hence why im asking 
Any help would be great. Cheers lads. Edited by Markie_D on 15th Apr, 2008. Shit Happen's |
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 2500 Posts Member #: 648 Post Whore Northern Ireland (ex AUS) |
15th Apr, 2008 at 05:32:57pm
Did you use non-guenine ball joints? I did and they are a curse. If the hub moves in relation to the upper and lower arms it's the ball joints. If the disk moves and the hub doesn't its a wheel bearing. On 7th Nov, 2008 Nic said:
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Site Admin 15302 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
15th Apr, 2008 at 05:33:15pm
I'm not getting angry, just telling it how it is. Stevie Wonder would be more help than someone a few hundred miles away on a computer, sometimes there is no substitute for having a good look.
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 1566 Posts Member #: 36 Post Whore Basingstoke |
15th Apr, 2008 at 06:05:18pm
I got so bored of trying to diagnose it on mine that i replaced all 4 balljoints and both track rod arms. Doesn't cost a lot and at least you know it's right. Worth doing the wheel bearings at the same time.
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4018 Posts Member #: 1757 Back to Fucking Tool status Swindon |
15th Apr, 2008 at 06:43:19pm
not really (top//bottem)baal joints if its side to side play, they are more of top to bottom play Drives
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15th Apr, 2008 at 07:11:48pm
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4314 Posts Member #: 700 Formerly British Open Classic The West Country |
15th Apr, 2008 at 08:14:42pm
On 15th Apr, 2008 Ric said:
I got so bored of trying to diagnose it on mine that i replaced all 4 balljoints and both track rod arms. Doesn't cost a lot and at least you know it's right. I always do the top and bottom ones at the same time, simply because they are sold in pairs. Isambard Kingdom Brunel said:
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 9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
15th Apr, 2008 at 08:26:01pm
On 15th Apr, 2008 Mini_Uk said:
I see your point. ive just jacked it up, took the wheel off and wobbled it left and right. i noticed it has something to do with the steering rack on the driver side only. it kind of has a back and forth play on it. it's not the track rod ends, as there brand new. so whats this mean then, new steering rack. I did put some of them cad spacers on there, to make it a 2,2 turn. would this course any problems.. I dont know, hence why im asking
Deffo sounds like the rack to me. Those spacers do reduce the steering lock to 2.2 turns, but I hope you now don't think you have a quick rack? Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
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862 Posts Member #: 1660 Formally Mini_Uk London |
15th Apr, 2008 at 08:37:43pm
On 15th Apr, 2008 Jay#2 said:
Did you use non-guenine ball joints? I did and they are a curse. If the hub moves in relation to the upper and lower arms it's the ball joints. If the disk moves and the hub doesn't its a wheel bearing. There all guenine parts from minispares. On 15th Apr, 2008 Tom Fenton said:
I'm not getting angry, just telling it how it is. Stevie Wonder would be more help than someone a few hundred miles away on a computer, sometimes there is no substitute for having a good look. Don't discount either the track rod ends or the rack as they are new, I've seen some absolute junk replacement spares over the years. If the spacers you mention are the lock-limiting ones, these should not cause any play. Im messing mate. 
On 15th Apr, 2008 Ric said:
I got so bored of trying to diagnose it on mine that i replaced all 4 balljoints and both track rod arms. Doesn't cost a lot and at least you know it's right. Worth doing the wheel bearings at the same time. And yes, if they're not right, you'll need to reshim until they are. Ive not so long replaced the whole lot :( On 15th Apr, 2008 wil_h said:
On 15th Apr, 2008 Mini_Uk said:
I see your point. ive just jacked it up, took the wheel off and wobbled it left and right. i noticed it has something to do with the steering rack on the driver side only. it kind of has a back and forth play on it. it's not the track rod ends, as there brand new. so whats this mean then, new steering rack. I did put some of them cad spacers on there, to make it a 2,2 turn. would this course any problems.. I dont know, hence why im asking
Deffo sounds like the rack to me. Those spacers do reduce the steering lock to 2.2 turns, but I hope you now don't think you have a quick rack? I only put them on to stop the wheel rubing on the wheel arch when turning the wheels. I had a real good look at it, and thought it was the rack. but im no mechanic, so i cant figure what it is. any tips on how to check whats it could be. Thanks alot. Edited by Markie_D on 15th Apr, 2008. Shit Happen's |
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Site Admin 15302 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
15th Apr, 2008 at 08:41:48pm
Grab hold of whatever you think has the play and try and move it about to see if it does have play.
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2500 Posts Member #: 648 Post Whore Northern Ireland (ex AUS) |
15th Apr, 2008 at 09:28:21pm
Did you shim the ball joints right? Mine settled in and loosened up, mainly to do with them being cheap to start with. Do as Tom says, wiggle and see where the movement is. On 7th Nov, 2008 Nic said:
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862 Posts Member #: 1660 Formally Mini_Uk London |
17th Apr, 2008 at 12:11:33am
On 15th Apr, 2008 Tom Fenton said:
Grab hold of whatever you think has the play and try and move it about to see if it does have play. Yep did that. turns out to be the top ball joint. I shimmed it up ok. but after a few weeks of driving, it's got very loose 
So ill reshim it up again. :) Cheers.. Shit Happen's |
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862 Posts Member #: 1660 Formally Mini_Uk London |
17th Apr, 2008 at 12:14:10am
On 15th Apr, 2008 Jay#2 said:
Did you shim the ball joints right? Mine settled in and loosened up, mainly to do with them being cheap to start with. Do as Tom says, wiggle and see where the movement is. Yeah shimmed them up ok, which i thought. And it have loosened up like u say. Hmmm, i might shit it up tight this time round. Cheers Shit Happen's |
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 869 Posts Member #: 2443 Post Whore Cheshire |
17th Apr, 2008 at 12:29:48am
I always lap new ball joints in to prevent the need for reshimming so soon. Just make sure you clean them out good and proper after doing so. |
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869 Posts Member #: 2443 Post Whore Cheshire |
17th Apr, 2008 at 12:31:43am
I always lap new ball joints in to prevent the need for reshimming so soon. Just make sure you clean them out good and proper after doing so. |
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862 Posts Member #: 1660 Formally Mini_Uk London |
17th Apr, 2008 at 11:15:24am
On 17th Apr, 2008 Andy500 said:
I always lap new ball joints in to prevent the need for reshimming so soon. Just make sure you clean them out good and proper after doing so. Sorry but what do you mean by lap them in? Cheers :) Shit Happen's |
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869 Posts Member #: 2443 Post Whore Cheshire |
17th Apr, 2008 at 12:08:40pm
Just the same as you lap valves in. Use valve grinding paste (i use the coarse compound) assemble the joint without shims, grease or the bottom spring and attatch the ball/shaft in the chuck of a drill. you dont need loads of paste just enough to take the high spots of the ball/seats. Give it a minute or two on low-medium speed and then clean everything up throughly. You will notice that the seats and the ball are a lot smoother and should have a matt grey finish to them.
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862 Posts Member #: 1660 Formally Mini_Uk London |
17th Apr, 2008 at 12:18:18pm
On 17th Apr, 2008 Andy500 said:
Just the same as you lap valves in. Use valve grinding paste (i use the coarse compound) assemble the joint without shims, grease or the bottom spring and attatch the ball/shaft in the chuck of a drill. you dont need loads of paste just enough to take the high spots of the ball/seats. Give it a minute or two on low-medium speed and then clean everything up throughly. You will notice that the seats and the ball are a lot smoother and should have a matt grey finish to them. Then rebuild the joints as normal and you should find they will last longer before needing reshimming as you have already taken off any high spots. Oh i see, thats what you call it lol well that's all been done. Checked all the others, and there fine. Just this one needs to be done again :) Shit Happen's |
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 2370 Posts Member #: 719 Post Whore Horndean - Near Portsmouth |
17th Apr, 2008 at 01:47:35pm
On 17th Apr, 2008 Andy500 said:
Just the same as you lap valves in. Use valve grinding paste (i use the coarse compound) assemble the joint without shims, grease or the bottom spring and attatch the ball/shaft in the chuck of a drill. you dont need loads of paste just enough to take the high spots of the ball/seats. Give it a minute or two on low-medium speed and then clean everything up throughly. You will notice that the seats and the ball are a lot smoother and should have a matt grey finish to them. Then rebuild the joints as normal and you should find they will last longer before needing reshimming as you have already taken off any high spots. Never thought of that! Good tip! Will be doing that whenever i replace mine then:) |
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