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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/mini-mpi-supercharge...DVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ

Is it me or is this asking for touble?

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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probably, but i still wouldnt mind the manifold, would plug up the injectors and stick with suck-through


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On 24th Apr, 2008 Sprocket said:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/mini-mpi-supercharger-inlet-manifold-with-4-injectors_W0QQitemZ330230040954QQihZ014QQcategoryZ43122QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ

Is it me or is this asking for touble?



I think it could be made to work, but at huge time and expense.

You've still got the port injection problem. Also suck through. No intercooler.

Not worth the bother, in my opinion.

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So, who is goign to ask if he's used it yet???

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He states that it needs finishing, so doubt if it has been used.

I wonder how he's going to stop the two front injectors from spraying petrol onto the hot exhaust as soon as it comes on boost.

Someone thinks it's good - £102 already.

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Hi,
What's the betting someone will be on here in about a week asking all sorts of questions on how to get it to work??
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BAC look at feedback

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I stand corrected. You should know *wink*



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On 24th Apr, 2008 Scruffy said:
BAC look at feedback

2 bad feedback out of 170 thats not too bad really considering we you dont no the reason it was given...

i have no idea wether /how it would work as im not that smart...lol

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On 1st Oct, 2009 Jimster said:
I bet my first wank came quicker than your first mini turbo


These new modern turbos with their quick spool up time, would make the competition harder.


On 15th Aug, 2011 robert said:
phew!!! thank you brett for smashing in my back doors .( not something i imagined writing... EVER)


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On 24th Apr, 2008 Bat said:
Hi,
What's the betting someone will be on here in about a week asking all sorts of questions on how to get it to work??
Cheers,
Gavin :)


TRUE! *laughing**laughing*






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On 24th Apr, 2008 Paul S said:

On 24th Apr, 2008 Sprocket said:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/mini-mpi-supercharger-inlet-manifold-with-4-injectors_W0QQitemZ330230040954QQihZ014QQcategoryZ43122QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ

Is it me or is this asking for touble?



I think it could be made to work, but at huge time and expense.

You've still got the port injection problem. Also suck through. No intercooler.

Not worth the bother, in my opinion.



whats it sucking through if the fuel is going in after the blower ?

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On 25th Apr, 2008 robert said:



On 24th Apr, 2008 Paul S said:

On 24th Apr, 2008 Sprocket said:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/mini-mpi-supercharger-inlet-manifold-with-4-injectors_W0QQitemZ330230040954QQihZ014QQcategoryZ43122QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ

Is it me or is this asking for touble?



I think it could be made to work, but at huge time and expense.

You've still got the port injection problem. Also suck through. No intercooler.

Not worth the bother, in my opinion.



whats it sucking through if the fuel is going in after the blower ?


As MM said, the throttle body is upstream of the blower - that makes it suck through.

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But isn't that how OE installations are? The ones using Eatons all do it this way. I assumed that 'suck thru' or 'blow thru' when related to SC's was more really about if it was 'wet' or 'dry' ?

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I'm sure that the OEMs have the throttle body downstream of the blower.

That's why they use the bypass valve.

Also, if the TB is upstream of the blower, then it will operate under vacuum t part load which it is not designed for, seal wise.

Edited by Paul S on 25th Apr, 2008.

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On 24th Apr, 2008 TurboDave said:
So, who is goign to ask if he's used it yet???


I know this guy and the manifold, he's a member on here (and its not me).

The used comment refers to the original manifold being used (standard mpi) not the supercharger/injection set up as a whole.
The plan was to run staged injection and for that I suspose there is no real reason it won't work, but a lot more hardware will be required.


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but if no fuel is sucked through it ,cant an intercooler be used ?
generally suck through involves fuel passing through the compressor?

Edited by robert on 25th Apr, 2008.

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An intercooler can be used but this set up is designed so that the charger sits on top of the manifold.

If you want to introduce an intercooler then you will have to mount the charger in an alternative location so you might as well buy a standard mpi manifold as you won't need the adaptor plate.


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On 25th Apr, 2008 robert said:
but if no fuel is sucked through it ,cant an intercooler be used ?
generally suck through involves fuel passing through the compressor?


I'm probably wrong, but I've always understood blow or suck to be relative to the throttle not the point of fueling.

I also cannot believe that the OEMs run intercoolers at full engine vacuum at idle, but I stand to be corrected.

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If you put M90 supercharger into Ebay USA you'll find at least two examples ot where it is TB>SC>Engine - one is the Pontiac V6, the other is the Ford Thunderbird/supercoupe (which is also intercooled).

All OEM installs will run a throttle by-pass, which basically opens a valve int he pipe between the TB & SC to the outlet of the SC.

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On 25th Apr, 2008 Paul S said:
I'm probably wrong, but I've always understood blow or suck to be relative to the throttle not the point of fueling.

I also cannot believe that the OEMs run intercoolers at full engine vacuum at idle, but I stand to be corrected.


I was wrong :(

Stuck my head under a few blown Bini bonnets at Himley Hall today. There is no eveidence of a throttle body after the intercooler as I expected. Just the one after the air filter and a bypass.

Now that surprises me as I did not expect the blower and intercooler to be running at full engine vacuum at no/part load.

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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