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I have a pre verto flywheel from a pre A+ engine from an Austin 1300GT.

The flywheel is 25mm thick, where the standard mini one is 19mm thick.

I've been trying to assemble it with the standard backplate, but for obvious reasons this is giving me no travel on the clutch.

Did these flywheels have extra spacers or something to get the straps and preasure plate away from the flywheel face or should it have longer mounting lugs on the back plate?

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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Throw it in the bin immediately! Fit a Mini one.

The only difference should be the large ring. Everything else should be equal.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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Would you be able to elaborate please V?


On 11th Nov, 2009 Vegard said:
Throw it in the bin immediately! Fit a Mini one.

The only difference should be the large ring. Everything else should be equal.

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.


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Thinking about it, the GT one is about 30% thicker, so probably has around 30% more weight to it. Can't be good for the engine to try and spin that extra mass.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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There is a big "ring" on the flywheel to add weight. The very least you should do is to remove this in a lathe. Heavy flywheels on a Mini/ADO16 is a nono.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



apbellamy

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So it's ripe for lightening for future budget build projects then....

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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I threw one of these away about a year ago - as V says there is (was) a massive ring of extra material hanging out the back to increase weight and polar inertia.

It was also the old two part design (6 bolts holding the wheel to a seperate hub) but, in my case, the backplate was the same as normal..... it must be, it's in my engine, only mods being machining the lugs down a small bit to get the spring flat......

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


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I thought that was the case when I measured it last night...

I think I will keep it and see about getting it machined down at some point, but only if it works out cheaper than buying one of the minispares lightened jobies

EDIT: Horrendous Spelling!

Edited by apbellamy on 11th Nov, 2009.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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On 11th Nov, 2009 apbellamy said:
I think I will keep it and see about getting it machined down at some point, but only if it works out cheaper than buying one of the minispares lightened jobies


I wouldn't fancy lightening a nasty cast flywheel to try to replicate the minispares lightweight one. Surely it will blow up and take your nuts with it. I imagine that lightening will cost at least half the price of a minispares one. It will still be an inferior material, heavier and possibly dangerous. I would bin it

On 12th Nov, 2009 Paul S said:

I think Gary OS has taken over my role as the forum smart arse *happy*


On 30th Apr, 2010 Rod S said:
Gary's description is best


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Fair point.....

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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Bin, bin, bin, bin!

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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I thought BIN meant Buy It Now? *happy*
Do you want it V?

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It will go on the scrap pile, minus it's ring gear....

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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there is nothnig wrong with a safely modified cast flywheel,
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use it as a doorstop

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Buy another one and stick em on the end of your press bar

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Yep I agree with TD........


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I was lucky my friendly machinist took the extra ring off mine for me as a favour,

The 1300 gt block, as per vizard, is a stronger block however as it doesn't have the little square out above the center main however, if you are sticking with the A-series block and 1300 gt crank...

You could make use of the standard duplex timming gear however if you are on a budget, but use a tensioner and offset keys :)

Interstingly the 1300gt head does make a nice instant bolt on addition to the a-series 1000's and 1100's as it increases the cr and has bigger valves (that don't require the block to be pocketed, just 1275 head gasket and rocker gear spacing) and has nice open chamber and port profile, infact probably as good as a cooper head.

Would recommend a 1 and 3/4 inch card on an alloy inlet with an lcb and k&n probably worth about 30% power increase if set up correctly .

Cheers

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Edited by Brocky on 12th Nov, 2009.

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Interesting points about the engine Brocky. It's in bits in my shed....

Never had the head though. Timing gear is on the metro van's engine (with offset key and tensionor).

I had a look at the flywheel last night, the extra mass looks to have been riveted to the thinner type of wheel. As it's scrap, I may well have a go at removing the rivetts and see what happens.

When John brings my puller back, I'll put some pic's up next to a standard fly for future referance.

Carl - you never know, it may well come your way for some work at some point...

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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On 12th Nov, 2009 Brocky said:
I was lucky my friendly machinist took the extra ring off mine for me as a favour,

The 1300 gt block, as per vizard, is a stronger block however as it doesn't have the little square out above the center main however, if you are sticking with the A-series block and 1300 gt crank...


Interstingly the 1300gt head does make a nice instant bolt on addition to the a-series 1000's and 1100's as it increases the cr and has bigger valves (that don't require the block to be pocketed, just 1275 head gasket and rocker gear spacing) and has nice open chamber and port profile, infact probably as good as a cooper head.



The 1300GT block is EXACTLY the same as any other Morris/Austin 1300/Allegro block. The hole above the centre main has got nothing to do with GT or not. They had this hole up until early 70ies, then it disappeared.

The 1300GT head would be inferior to the standard 1300 on a 998 as the inlet valve is too large. There is absolutely no point in a 35.6mm inlet on a 998 unless race spec.

On the exhaust side, the 998 block will still need pocketing as the exhaust valve is the same as any other Metro head.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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Yep your right V I was thinking of the standard 1300 saloon engine....:)

I dropped a standard 1300 head on my 1100 and it worked really well. :)

BTW - I took my buddy VTEC Pete out for a spin this weekend, and even though I am running her in, he gave it a name, the "Brocket"...cause I'm a brocket maaannn, nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah....

Build thread - http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=7483

Katy Mini Owners Club Thread - http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=505552

Let's make sure you embarrass at least one VTEC MINI today !

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You were lucky then. I guess you used a standard cam??

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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just been offered a 13gt block at 73.5mm and some forged omega's to match, £250,
is it worth getting?
can i fit A+ rod's and crank in there?
and what else wont fit?
ta

On 2nd Oct, 2009 Vegard said:


On 1st Oct, 2009 Jimster said:
I bet my first wank came quicker than your first mini turbo


These new modern turbos with their quick spool up time, would make the competition harder.


On 15th Aug, 2011 robert said:
phew!!! thank you brett for smashing in my back doors .( not something i imagined writing... EVER)


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Everything fits.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



apbellamy

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I finally got round to giving this to Carl for machining. The finished article looks pretty good to me.





Originally it was pretty much flush with the centre piece so there's a fair amount of metal removed.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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Who needs timing marks anyway *happy*

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.


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