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nala56

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Nice guide mate, you can not beat guides with step by step pictures, Thanks will be using this for sure at some time in the future.. Alan

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Been reading this guide and have a question around this statement:

On 14th Aug, 2011 almichie said:
The new spacers need to be the length of the originals plus the thickness of the additional spring.


Surely that can't be right. If, for example, you are using 2 x 2mm springs. If you make the new spacers 2mm longer than the originals it will push the outer spring 4mm towards the wok (2mm spring plus 2mm extra n the spacers). In my mind, this knocks the whole lot out of alignment and is possibly the cause of the heavy pedal in some peoples cars.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


nala56

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What would be good is a side view of the assembly so you could see the setup better..

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apbellamy

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Pic's here:

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...tid=10207&fr=75

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


bakker110

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That is quite possibly the case. Surely all you're doing is still spacing to the underside of the spring which will be in the same position as usual therefore a standard size spacer would acheive the same thing.
If it's longer it will be pushing the first and second springs like you say further towards the wok.


On 5th Apr, 2013 apbellamy said:
Been reading this guide and have a question around this statement:

On 14th Aug, 2011 almichie said:
The new spacers need to be the length of the originals plus the thickness of the additional spring.


Surely that can't be right. If, for example, you are using 2 x 2mm springs. If you make the new spacers 2mm longer than the originals it will push the outer spring 4mm towards the wok (2mm spring plus 2mm extra n the spacers). In my mind, this knocks the whole lot out of alignment and is possibly the cause of the heavy pedal in some peoples cars.


apbellamy

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In my mind it makes more sense to take the spacers smaller by the thickness of the additional spring to make sure it's external dimensions are the same as an unmodified unit.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


Joe C

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andy, if you do that it wont fit together. or rather it will but the spacers will flap about as it bottoms out on the springs.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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bakker110

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So roughly what thickness ideally should they be. I understand they all vary. And what ID and OD?


apbellamy

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Got ya. I was thinking the spacer supported the spring, rather than the bolt/rivet.

Baker, reading the thread 11mm o.d. and 8mm i.d.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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ID M8 clearance, OD 11mm,

length wise is tricky, the pivot rings can also be different diameters, 14mm should be more than enough just... but it could be a short as 11mm....

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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Yeah the ones we got from you Joe we had to trim them down for the van's RTS. That was with 2 x 998 AP spings.

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nala56

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So can we say that you make the spaces to suit each individual clutch you take apart..

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bakker110

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Sounds that way.


Joe C

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Yep,

springs range from 1.6mm to 2.4mm and IIRC Ive seen 2.2 and 3 mm pivot rings.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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bakker110

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Can anyone recommend a torque setting for the bolts shown in joes sketch above?


John

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FT aka F**kin Tight?

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Joe C

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LOL

IMO they dont need to be particuarly tight, but do need to be loctited in

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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not more than about 25 ftlbs, i settled on about 18 on mine ( after stripping a thread and starting again)

My B18VtecTurbo Awd Mini 2 years in, been running for 2years +.... vtec just kicked in yo
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On 14th Feb, 2014 robert said:
I think he thought his car was 465kg ,and you then guessed it at 565kg , and stuff me !! you were right


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yeah, the fly wheels is pants metal and not that thick, I'd agree with the above.

on the std set up consider the rivet is piss soft, we're replacing it with 12.9 grade which is way over the top IMO, but it helps with the tread in the fly wheel

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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after stripping a thread


prooving the point of poor engineering practices

Brett, it's not directed at you personally, it is merely you have experienced why it is poor engineering *wink*

Edited by Sprocket on 7th Apr, 2013.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


Joe C

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Also, as the spacer is only thin walled you could crush it if you wang it up fooking tight.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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On 7th Apr, 2013 Joe C said:
Also, as the spacer is only thin walled you could crush it if you wang it up fooking tight.


if you can get it that tight without stripping the thread *wink*

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


Joe C

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which is admittedly unlikely.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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On 7th Apr, 2013 Sprocket said:


after stripping a thread


prooving the point of poor engineering practices

Brett, it's not directed at you personally, it is merely you have experienced why it is poor engineering *wink*


poor engineering practices, as in taping a thread into what is essentially sheet steel where the thickness must be as small as 1/3 the diameter the hole i agree totally, the method you came up with obviously gets round this but is not 100% necessary imo

this particular one pulled through just whilst nipping it up and it did give me the opportunity to 'test' what torque they pull through at
25ftlbs ish feels more than tight enough, infact 18flbs ish has been tight enough so far

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On 14th Feb, 2014 robert said:
I think he thought his car was 465kg ,and you then guessed it at 565kg , and stuff me !! you were right

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