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obviously there must be an optimum c/r to run when running a certain amount of boost and optimum level of advance, is there any way of calculating this? Obviously it'd change with boost, but does it depend on anything else.

i've had a look around, but i havent seen anything other than suggested c/r for running a specific amount of boost, nothing about calculating the optimum etc.

Any pointers would be great

Edited by andeh on 18th Jan, 2006.

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im not entirely sure if that makes sense :(

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I think the main thing is avoiding detonation. There are many factors that affect this, squish, head chamber shape, flame propogation, blah blah blah!

Of course CR is a prime factor in this, I think it depends just quite how much boost you want to try and run. I think that now a lot of people are moving to mapped ignition (as it has been made much cheaper and more accessable with things such as Mega Jolt) there is probably scope to run a higher compression ratio than the 'norm' and get away with it. However it will take a brave man who builds a higher CR engine purposefully to see how it reacts......

Maybe a good back-to-back test for MAGA7INE in the future? Take a 1293 turbo engine with low CR, power test it, then swap the head for one with smaller chambers, and test again.


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ill be running tests on this during the year.

last year i did run 10 psi on a 1380 intercooled on a 9.8 cr on the rollers using det cans with a 24 deg fixed advance with no probs on got 140 banannas car ran supurb but must admit it must be bloody close to deting.

this year cr is being reduced to about 9.1 :1 and im going for 12 psi so should be interesting.

at the end of the day you dont no until you try.

but for these settings its a must to keep an eye on the timing as last year mine went from 24 to 28 deg and it didnt like it one bit.

always looking for them bigger bunches of bannanas


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On 18/01/2006 22:02:18 Tom Fenton said:

Maybe a good back-to-back test for MAGA7INE in the future? Take a 1293 turbo engine with low CR, power test it, then swap the head for one with smaller chambers, and test again.


Brave or stupid! Great idea Tom! This is in fact part of the 998 turbo feature. I have 2 12G295 heads, one cut for 9:1 CR, one stock 28cc chambered. As I have megajolt, I am going to give this a go on the RR. (More control over advance so we can see optimum advance values for a known combination).

Starting with the 9:1 CR head and seeing how high we can go in terms of boost, playing with the advance, then going lower CR and seeing what we loose in low rpm power and BSFC.

In fact the pre turbo base line runs were done yesterday, with megajolt optimised for the current motor :). To say I am staggered at the results of a ST1 kit and good 12G head and mapped ign would be an understatement! (well, ok, it's not a Ferrari but not bad for what it is...)

Anyway, at lease we know about the REAL increases on an optimised engine, something that most peeps don't do, so we are testing the power the turbo adds, not the power the RR man added optimising the turbo over a poorly set up engine in the first place.

The other factor is cam choice as bigger cams, even the MG metty NA cam, will enable you to run more CR as they bleed off cylinder pressure at low rpm. This I think will require VERY careful ignition control under high MAP values, easy with MJ but not something I would try on a clockwork antique igition system.

Also, when I had MJ on the test rig, it looks like up to a given rpm it is a multiple spark discharge system! Probably to help with emmisions.

On second thoughts, I will replace this with a really interesting article on how to grease your ball joints! LMAO!!!!

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Grease your balljoints? How do you do that??

LOL

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alternatively you could do endless brake articles, or possibly disjointed suspension articles or maybe an article on injection which doesnt actually give any information other than u can buy it from minispeed.

When do u think your testings going to come ahead?

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On 19/01/2006 13:11:10 Tom Fenton said:

Grease your balljoints? How do you do that??

LOL

*indifferent* *indifferent* *indifferent*


Well Tom, I didn't know until I saw it in a magazine. It wasn't in the Haynes manual or in a forum anywhere.


My advice is never trust a man who needs an whole A4 page of pictures to get his tool on a pair of nipples. This is something that should come naturally :)


I HOPE to do the next phase next week, though the amount of spare time I have is laughable so it will be whenever I can fit in. Will let you know of course!

Peter

Edited by MAGA7INE on 19th Jan, 2006.

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AlexF2003

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doesn't your CR depend on your cam timing as well?

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@ Alex.... Indeed it will!
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hmmm the miller effect *wink*

Alex

Edited by AlexF2003 on 19th Jan, 2006.

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