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just_jack

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hi people
i'm looking for some advice really

anyway i have 2 full a+ 998's and a short 1098 with crank and head (i believe it is marked 202) that sort of stuff

the questions
i would like to overbore one of the blocks and use dished pistons,(suggest a good size please)

i have started working on a 12g940 small valved head, i have ground i combustion camber out to 26 or 28cc cant remember i will have to recheck that

the turbo i will be using is really small, but i have never seen another turbo such as the likes of garrett t3 or t2 to match it up with (it has loads of number wrote all over it if anybody has any idea were ithe ID will be please tell me and i will post it up)

i have no manifolds as of yet (dunno what to use, any ideas???)

gearbox, i will be using a standard box (one has a 3.44 diff the other a 3.1diff, what shouldi use there???),
i know its silly but this whole conversion so far has cost me an LCB and £40 for the 1300 head and £40 for short 1100 engine,
so i am on a reasonable low budget

i will be using a astra GTE fuel pump( i think they pump at some like 3 bar, will that be to much or will the regulator sort that???)

i will be using a HIF 44 is there anything i should to do to this (stronger seals, needle, spring, jets???)

i have three camshafts to choose from aswell a 1300 metro cam a 998 and a 1098 (although i have sourced a phase 1 turbo cam, will this be any good???)

im sure there is something i have forgot

anyways thanks for reading
and if you can in anyway help please do
many thanks jack

i knew i would forget something

i also have a 2wd cossie intercooler

Edited by just_jack on 25th Jun, 2008.

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Which engine to choose is up to you. I think you will find pistons are easier to get for the 998's though.

Turbo you may find someone recognises what it is if you post a picture and the i/d markings.

A Metro turbo exhaust manifold is probably your cheapest option, you will need to make an adaptor plate if you use a turbo other than a T3 though.

Gearbox you will probably find the torque of the turbo suits the 3.1 diff ratio better.

Astra GTE fuel pump will probably knacker the fuel reg diaphram. You need a metro turbo type.

HIF44 if a NA version will need converting to turbo spec. There is a post on here showing what to do.

Camshaft wise I'd try and get yourself a normally aspirated MG Metro cam.


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i have a mg metro cam, are the phase 1 turbo cams no good then???
is there anyway i could use a manifold where i dont need to cut the bulkhead???
i would like to say im not to bad with a welder although
if i could get a mirage manifold for cheap(how much are they??? if you know)

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the Astra pump should be ok, according to FSE's website they spec the same pump for the astra and the metty.

cam wise i think the phase 1 is just a bit of an unkown, most people either use a std cam or go straght for a phase 2. although the phase 2 is aparantly too hot for a 998 and probably an 1100, the MG metro (non turbo) cam works well in a 998 though.

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1- inlet
2- the little ID thing
it says, spec- as12 0608
rhf4- 22 306d
parts- 135756180
3- its says ihi turbo (on the inlet side)
4- exhaust side

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I'm building an 1100T with the 202 head. 29cc straight out of the box (almost).

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On 25th Jun, 2008 just_jack said:
1- inlet
2- the little ID thing
it says, spec- as12 0608
rhf4- 22 306d
parts- 135756180
3- its says ihi turbo (on the inlet side)
4- exhaust side

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why is my pictures not coming up???

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Here we go again. lol!

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On 25th Jun, 2008 just_jack said:
i would like to overbore one of the blocks and use dished pistons,(suggest a good size please)


Dish size depends on what CR you want and that will depend on how much boost you want, which in turn will depend on how much power you want.

On 25th Jun, 2008 just_jack said:
I have started working on a 12g940 small valved head, i have ground i combustion camber out to 26 or 28cc cant remember i will have to recheck that


Will & Ben are using a 12G940 head on their hillclimber with good results. However I'm going to go for a 295 head on mine as I don't like the idea of pocketing block when using forced induction.

On 25th Jun, 2008 just_jack said:
i have a mg metro cam, are the phase 1 turbo cams no good then???


I don't think anyone's tried a phase 1 turbo cam on a small bore and they weren't very popular on the big bores. I think the general consensus is that they are a bit on the mild side.

On 25th Jun, 2008 just_jack said:
is there anyway i could use a manifold where i dont need to cut the bulkhead???


Only options are a Mirage Manifold or a custom one.

On 25th Jun, 2008 just_jack said:

if i could get a mirage manifold for cheap(how much are they??? if you know)


They are about £350 new, and I've only ever heard of two coming up for sale second hand, people seem to like them and hang on to them.

http://www.miragemotorsport.com/

Edited by Rob H on 25th Jun, 2008.

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On 25th Jun, 2008 theoneeyedlizard said:
Here we go again. lol!



is that here we go another newb or another one that cant post pictures up???

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On 25th Jun, 2008 Rob H said:

Dish size depends on what CR you want and that will depend on how much boost you want, which in turn will depend on how much power you want.


well i am currently running a 1330 n/a with a kent 296 i want more then that, i think its about 110bhp at the fw,
but to be honest, i am the same as everybody else i want as much power as possible with the reliability of something very reliable and for as little cost around
i hope to run about 15psi of boost, the turbo is really small, like a dinky toy turbo

On 25th Jun, 2008 Rob H said:

Will & Ben are using a 12G940 head on their hillclimber with good results. However I'm going to go for a 295 head on mine as I don't like the idea of pocketing block when using forced induction.


i found a 295 for £100, which is alot on my budget, then it needs working alot as its been sitting for years,
before i put my 1330 in i was running a 998 with a 1300 big valved head and my block wasnt pocketed, it did leave a little mark though
if im using a small valved head and overboreing then surely it would only need pocketing a tiny amount, if any???

On 25th Jun, 2008 Rob H said:

I don't think anyone's tried a phase 1 turbo cam on a small bore and they weren't very popular on the big bores. I think the general consensus is that they are a bit on the mild side.


if they are mild in a 1275 surely they would be larey as hell in a small bore, should i be the candidate to try it

On 25th Jun, 2008 Rob H said:

Only options are a Mirage Manifold or a custom one.
They are about £350 new, and I've only ever heard of two coming up for sale second hand, people seem to like them and hang on to them.


do you know the internal bore size of a mirage manifold i will make myself a mirage style one, then i wont have to worry about joining my turbo up with it i can just make another flange up


thanks for your hlep
jack

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someone on here made up some similar to the mirage ones, but aloy cheaper, cant remember who though?

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On 25th Jun, 2008 joeybaby83 said:
someone on here made up some similar to the mirage ones, but aloy cheaper, cant remember who though?


i cant find them and you got my hopes up now
but how cheap is cheap

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What could be cheaper than making an adaptor plate up for the Metro manifold ? 12mm plate with a tapered hole filed in it .....

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Alternative Mirage

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=184408

You really need to show us the turbo though. I'll PM you my email so you can send me the piccy.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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On 26th Jun, 2008 wil_h said:
Alternative Mirage

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=184408

You really need to show us the turbo though. I'll PM you my email so you can send me the piccy.


emailed

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so does the mirage manifolds affect performance, due to different gas flow or not???

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Try doing a search pal, there is lots and lots of info on the forum waiting for you to read it and learn from it.


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right, here is the turbo





and this is the spec





From my calcs, for a small bore running 15psi it looks to be ok from a compressor side. the map to look at is the pink one.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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On 26th Jun, 2008 just_jack said:
so does the mirage manifolds affect performance, due to different gas flow or not???


Currenty Nic holds the record for fastest road going Turbo Mini over the standing quarter mile, and he's running Mirage manifoldds so they can't be that bad!

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On 25th Jun, 2008 just_jack said:


On 25th Jun, 2008 theoneeyedlizard said:
Here we go again. lol!



is that here we go another newb or another one that cant post pictures up???


For some reason a lot of people have problems posting pictures on this website.

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On 25th Jun, 2008 just_jack said:
On 25th Jun, 2008 Rob H said:

Dish size depends on what CR you want and that will depend on how much boost you want, which in turn will depend on how much power you want.


well i am currently running a 1330 n/a with a kent 296 i want more then that, i think its about 110bhp at the fw,
but to be honest, i am the same as everybody else i want as much power as possible with the reliability of something very reliable and for as little cost around
i hope to run about 15psi of boost, the turbo is really small, like a dinky toy turbo


You can have ant two of the following; power, relibility or cheap, you can't have all three I'm afraid.

110 Bananas should easilly achivable if you haven't already have a look at Wil/Ben's 20 hour turbo build.

On 25th Jun, 2008 just_jack said:
On 25th Jun, 2008 Rob H said:

Will & Ben are using a 12G940 head on their hillclimber with good results. However I'm going to go for a 295 head on mine as I don't like the idea of pocketing block when using forced induction.


i found a 295 for £100, which is alot on my budget, then it needs working alot as its been sitting for years,
before i put my 1330 in i was running a 998 with a 1300 big valved head and my block wasnt pocketed, it did leave a little mark though
if im using a small valved head and overboreing then surely it would only need pocketing a tiny amount, if any???


I'm also trying to work out what I can get away with in terms of valve sizes and rebores, my current plan is to cut a block in to and see how much there is to play with.

On 25th Jun, 2008 just_jack said:
On 25th Jun, 2008 Rob H said:

I don't think anyone's tried a phase 1 turbo cam on a small bore and they weren't very popular on the big bores. I think the general consensus is that they are a bit on the mild side.


if they are mild in a 1275 surely they would be larey as hell in a small bore, should i be the candidate to try it


Don't know, I've not seen the timings for the phase 1, all I know is that it was never a popluar choice.

On 25th Jun, 2008 just_jack said:
On 25th Jun, 2008 Rob H said:

Only options are a Mirage Manifold or a custom one.
They are about £350 new, and I've only ever heard of two coming up for sale second hand, people seem to like them and hang on to them.


do you know the internal bore size of a mirage manifold i will make myself a mirage style one, then i wont have to worry about joining my turbo up with it i can just make another flange up


Can't help you there as my Mirage Manifold is currently on Bat's Mini, but as a rule of thumb it's about the same diameter as the ports.

Edited by Rob H on 26th Jun, 2008.

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On 26th Jun, 2008 wil_h said:
right, here is the turbo

From my calcs, for a small bore running 15psi it looks to be ok from a compressor side. the map to look at is the pink one.


thanks alot for doing this wil
but to be honest if anything it has confused me quite a bit,
i dont really know much about turbos themselfs or the conversion really
will it be good enough for the job, how much boost will that max at and any idea of price of them???

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No idea of cost, you'll need to reserch that yourself.

As for max boost, it's all in the table, max pressure ratio od 2.7 which is around 25psi. It looks like the turbo will flow enough for 180 bhp, but as that's right at the edge of the map and it wont make the boost needed at this point for a 998.

Depending on how efficient the comp is, 15 psi should net between 140 and 150bhp.

I'd be happy to give this turbo a go on a 998.

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.

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