MEGAJOLT OR NODIZ
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Jean,

Considering I use a Microship processor rather than a Freescale device, and the fact Motorsport Electronics Ltd (the producer of the Nodiz) is a completely different company to the one you mention, I fail to see the motivation behind your post.

In terms of who owns the technology, I do, I have the headaches and countless lost of hours of sleep spent developing it to prove it :)

We also use SMD IGBTs for coil drivers, and a host of other 'bits' that have no relation to Megasquirt or any other controller out there, apart from the underlying objective of getting a coil to fire at the right time :)

Thanks
Matt

Edited by mtechmatt on 30th Jan, 2013.

Well, if you don't want to be associated with mtech why did you choose this username?

My opinions are exactly that, opinions. And you don't get to decide what I do or don't do. If the forum owners decide that they don't want me to post that sort of message then I will respect that.

And you can't change what has happened. In my opinion, knowing what has happened in the past can be useful in evaluating what one does. Things and people can change but knowledge about past events can only be beneficial.

And my previous message was only about what I would do or not do. I, as opposed to you, don't want to dictate what others should do.

Jean

http://www.jbperf.com/

Jean, fair comments, and to that end I will update my username such that errors like this will not happen again, as it benefits no-one.

Regards

Done,

And in answer to the OPs question, we aimed for the Nodiz to be easier to install and more feature full than the Megajolt, though, the Nodiz is still in its infancy, and as such, although we are confident, for ease of integrating with what others have used on here, then stick with the megajolt.

Just need to get you lot from the group buy up an running! :)

www.motorsport-electronics.co.uk | Home of the NODIZ Pro Ignition System | www.nodiz.co.uk

shall i say it,

WWW.FORCE-RACING.CO.UK PLEASE CLICK HERE

If you have used a Nodiz I welcome all and any feedback :)

I know I have had a few requests for a V8 version, that is my next port of call in terms of development, though of course doesnt really relate to you A-Series guys :)

Edited by motorsportelectronics on 30th Jan, 2013.

www.motorsport-electronics.co.uk | Home of the NODIZ Pro Ignition System | www.nodiz.co.uk

http://turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=170151

lol

Yes i moved to the darkside

Instagram @jdm_brett

How could BT and OS and Google screw up so badly, giving two completely different companies the same address and phone number ???

What else is my address and phone number being used as :)

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

oops. lol

Low boosting for now.

They are different companies. That's what the law would say, not that it matters, considering 100% happy feedback for the NODIZ....

To be honest if the VERY TIRED STIGMA some of you seem to have against M-Tech from SEVERAL YEARS AGO wasn't there and the fact I have gone into business with someone as part of developing a range of new electronics products then I would sell under M-Tech, but unfortunately keyboard warriors love to battle :)

M-Tech is still going strong after 8 years rolling road tuning, building race and track cars, and with great feedback also, so its all good news by all accounts really, apart from if we roll back the internet clock to 2005... when we in fact didn't do anything wrong except try and help people who couldn't afford our services, luckily, we no longer do favours, and it seems to have 'weeded out' the problem customers...

I won't waste my time defending myself against people whom I have never personally dealt with, or even those who believe they have a point, so keep on topic, or please go and battle somewhere else....

If you have any questions about the Nodiz, I will be more than happy to answer them...

Regards,
Matt

Edited by mtechmatt on 17th Jul, 2013.

This is keeping on topic, the topic is about the choice between 2 products and that choice should include researching the companies behind them which includes the people behind them regardless of the name above the door.

After being badly bitten by a certain 'not so speedy' Mini engine company if that person was to popup as lets say 'SM Engines' and someone posted on here asking if they should use their products then there would be more than enough advice not to from internet history from several years ago.

You will notice I am not fighting or batting anyone or saying anything against either company just pointing out the facts so that people doing their research to try and choose between these 2 products can find them easily.

http://turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=170151

For those who are UN-familiar with "that old cookie", read here.
http://www.msextra.com/doc/clones/index.html

I offer no opinion on NODIZ (it's obviously not the un-licenced MS copy, nor a direct copy of MJ as it doesn't use the EDIS module, and has no interest to me anyway as I need fuel as well) but the company's history (whichever name they use) is "interesting" to say the least.

As Simon says, it pays to research things thoroughly.


EDIT - bit missed

Edited by Rod S on 17th Jul, 2013.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

Well this threads more exciting than i expected it to be

Reading up on RTS Clutches

I'm putting the complete quote below because the author has a habit of coming back and editing the original message after someone calls them on it.

Someone who won't recognize their own mistakes is bound to make them again. And I'm being generous here when I say mistakes.

So apparently there is no mistake in making a shoddy product and making unauthorized copies of a product that use firmware in a way not authorized by the license. Regardless of the legal aspects of this (which has been discussed before), it certainly shines a light on the ethical mindset of the people involved. And if you want to see the shoddy aspect I mentioned you should talk to Phil Ringwood who has had to deal with it with some customers.

I'm sure the reply would be that the products are not the same now and the quality is there. It might be but that doesn't change the fact that the least that can be said is that there were mistakes done in the past and own up to them. At least part of whatever success M-Tech and NODIZ have is due to having made those "mistakes" and profited from them. And there is no way for anyone from outside to say that the current products don't still benefit from "borrowed" technology (and mentioning the use of a different CPU might work for some but "borrowed" code can easily be ported and it would still be a breach of the license and copyright).

And once more, Matt is giving his orders to people about what they need to do on a forum where he has no business doing so. As I mentioned before, if the moderators here deemed that I'm OT or abusive, they are more than welcome to edit or delete my message or even ban me. However, I do think this is relevant to making a well informed decision on whether or not a product, and the company and people behind it, are worth spending money on.

http://www.jbperf.com/

Username Rawden..................

shame the topics were moved to the admin section.

However, some evidence still remains. Maybe not helping here but I need to relieve some pent up tension with a good laugh now and then. More so now than ever

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...&tid=6485&fr=75

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=135368

Fast Carl got upset by all acounts lol

Vems has seen the M-tech rebranding also. Same box internally and externally, different name.

The link is broken, but I asked the question back when. http://195.159.109.134/vemsuk/forum/index....topic,34.0.html

Nice link Colin, as you say, a shame some of it's missing. I never saw it, just checked my join date and it's much later that year.

I researched M-Tech at the time I was about to buy my first MS2, they were advertising on eBay under some weird name (something to do with Ferrari IIRC) but walked away as soon as I found the link I posted above.

If VEMS has seen the "re-branding" too, I wonder how many others.

It's just too easy nowadays.

But who's going to argue, Samsung and Apple spent millions in court over who had the patent on round corners on a smartphone ... :)

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

Bah confusing this is .....Rawden, mtech, motor sorts electronics. Name keeps changing. Which ones the nob
Daz/Frank/. No im Clint today

Edited by dazibee on 18th Jul, 2013.

Nodiz is still a wank name!

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.

Both megajolt and nodiz are wank names tbh lol. Plumpsparks much better. Il get my coat

In the 13's at last!.. Just

yeah the name put me off buying one
What are you running fella?
"Nodiz"
yeah i can see that but the ecu?
"NODIZ"
Ok special kid haha

Reading up on RTS Clutches

Nodi'z........hello big ears lol

JPPerf,

In answer to your comments, for which anywhere we are, you seem to be even as far back as 7 years ago...

Let me, once again, recount the Megasquirt/M-Tech story once and for all...

I believe it was January 2006 (Maybe 2007 but I really cant recall) that I was building a Zetec Turbo engine whilst at uni studying maths and computer science (Loughborough) that I discovered Megasquirt.

What a great system I thought, something I can get my teeth into and use, develop and help with. This is back when it was the V2.2 on EDIS mind you!

I remember after building my first (I was no soldering expert but playing with electronics all my life means I got my first one up and running with no issues) that I thought, wow, engine management is seriously expensive, people here in the UK need to know about this!

Back then, there was no real commercial exposure of the MS in terms of fully built units in the UK (nor US but I maybe wrong here?) so I took the plunge and ordered 5x MSV2.2 kits from Jerry at DIYAutotune.

The boards arrived, and I built them up in my dorm room, and sold them on ebay.

The business was essentially born there and then.

I set up a website, www.mtechautomotive.co.uk, and began selling MEGASQUIRT ECUS. This is BEFORE any licence regards to hgardware existed. and, for the software we were given a licence by a chap called Lance. The same person who issued a license to this guy: http://www.mini-ms.com/

We were still buying in bulk from DIYAutotune, and things were going very smoothly.

I employed a chap called Ben to build the units. I will admit, some were poor quality, as couldnt check them all, what with doing a degree etc :) but ANYONE who bought a unit bought it KNOWING FULL WELL the warranty I gave, which is nomquibble, send it back, get it sorted. And I always stand by that, even TODAY! (As can be seen here: http://passionford.com/forum/ford-escort-r...automotive.html

A few units were bad, as I said, and someone companied to a chap called Bill Shurvington, who I believe is now ALSO BANNED from selling MS ecus...

Now I just point out. Anyone with megasquirts knows, even Mr Ringwood, that user setup can play a vital part in terms of if the unit works, and so at the sniff of a coil driver blowing up, we were blamed... even though not our fault, yet I STILL repaired FOC under warranty any that were brought to my attention, indeed, look back, any forum posts about someone saying their ECU didnt work, I always ask, WHY did you not contact me? They never say'I DID, you IGNORED me', they just don't respond at all..

We enquired to B&G about own branding, looking to create our own ECU based on their code......

This is when things went south....

So, Mr Shurvington sent me a very rude email, saying this and that, and I frankly told him to 'shove it'. I look after my customers and do all I can etc. I am, nor ever was, in the business of ripping people off. If I were, I would sell a service, not a product, (like insurance! hehe) All I wanted to do was give fair priced ECUs to the masses!

This email was my downfall, my young ego bruised. Bill was 'well in' the MS clique (which EVERYONE knows exists) and I was immediately disbarred from selling units, with no remorse, nothing!!

At this point I started to look into throttle body design, and this chap, known to this day to me as 'Chuzzy/rawden' appeared, offering what is now an AT Power bladed throttle body design. He told me, that what the states did was wrong, and as every company has ever done, is off a like or similar spec replacement part. I don't buy FORD break discs, I buy PAGENT OE once.... so thats what we did. We did some legal research, and found as long as we never branded as megasquirt, we were not in breach of ANYTHING. We already had the license, and rights to the software, plus we made some changes and improvements before any of this even happened, so that's what we did, we geared up and started selling a V3 Compatible (ie IBM Compatible, which I am sure most of you are using to write with on here! Rover vs British leyland, read up on it chaps, you drive Rovers after all..) These were factory assembled to a VERY HIGH standard. Look at the 'clones' page. Any electronics engineers care to comment on the soldering? How is it a poor product?

This was fine, we had threats, and promises of 'trouble' from those within the MS clique, the B&G 'arselickers' as we called them back then, back in 2007, when they started posting....

Anyway, VEMs came along. A chap called Rob Humprhis from VEMS UK is whom we entered into discussions with about licensing THEIR ECU. They refused, so we never followed it up. The VEMs ECU is BETTER in every sense, so why did we not just rip that off, (we have the schematics, the software, the BOM etc) if that's what we do? Becuase that is NOT what we do. So we left that as it was. Funnily enough Rob is what I consider a friend, and he too left VEMs after he had a dissagreement with them. Ho Hum.

Well it wasnt long before we realised how POOR megasquirt hardware is... I mean a DB37 AKA printer plug for a main connector, ergh. So we went about designing a new system, called the V4. Half the size, 8 Cyl support as standard, all the features, fully surface mount, ampseal plug, the list goes on.

This cost us maybe 6-10k to do, but we did it.redesign the lot. Different power supply, injector drivers, coil drivers, VR conditioning etc. This was the point this license appeared in the software. Ours was a compatible system. If the user chooses to run MS firmware, they break the lincence NOT US.

B&G with all their money in the bank ripping off the 'arselickers' hardwork, why didnt they take us to court? Because what they did was IMMORAL RESTRICTION OF TRADE AND AGGRAVATED LIBEL TO INHIBIT OUR BUSINESS GROWTH (Which still goes on today as can be seen by the above links) and they would LOSE the case.

We have sold plenty of V4s, but due to this ongoing slander I took it upon myself to truly create something of my own, and cease sales of the V4. Eight months later the 'NODIZ Pro' is born. An ignition only controller. I am working on the fuel code on my other desktop screen as I type! Which will be the new ECU. Sub £300, and bloody good is the plan. I even chose a different brand of microprocessor to turn away this 'its a rip off' stuff, and yes, I could port it, but really, the code is so poorly written on the MS (no fault of the developers par se, just lots cooks etc), it is quicker to start from scratch, and do a better job!

So I setup a new company with a new business parter called Motorsport Electronics Ltd. And thats where we are today.

I still have M-Tech, its a busy company housed in 5k Sq Foot premises with 5 full time employees preparing race cars, 2x Fabrication bays, a Dyno Dynamics rolling road in its own Dyno Cell, and of course a kettle always welcoming any like minded passerbys, ME (the new co) is for focusing my time on electronics developments.

Yes, there will also be those VERY SAME people from 'back in the day' trying to get my back up, or put me down, with no real reason other than to either sell their products (JBPerf) or, have a laugh (as SPROKECT says) but frankly its a pitty people cant just get along, I have no ill feelings towards anyone in the MS community great work, and I am truly sorry for that email I sent to Bill Shurvington way back when.

I feel sorry for those with nothing better to do, and I feel that this sums up the real story. If you have any evidence to prove any of this wrong (dates etc from, back then are honestly to the best of my knowledge) then please present it to me. If I have wrong you personally, please, email me so I can resolve it, personally.

Otherwise, seriosuly guys, get over it!

Thanks,
Matt

Edited by mtechmatt on 19th Jul, 2013.