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447 Posts Member #: 668 Senior Member newton aycliffe (near durham) |
8th Feb, 2007 at 11:50:50am
Hi,
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 2514 Posts Member #: 1217 I like nice quiet girly Minis Cheltenham, Gloucestershire |
8th Feb, 2007 at 12:17:31pm
Post a pic or two and we can then advise about the MOT issues.
Every day is a school day ...........
On 27th of Sep, 2007 at 12:45pm Jimster said:
why do you you think I got a girlfriend with small hands? |
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Forum Mod  5933 Posts Member #: 784 9 times Avon Park Class C winner Milton Keynes |
8th Feb, 2007 at 12:21:32pm
Ive seen a lot of cars with no inner wings and no brace bars. Make of that what you will. Dont know about MOT status. I would brace it. Paul Edited by paul wiginton on 8th Feb, 2007. I seriously doubt it! |
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447 Posts Member #: 668 Senior Member newton aycliffe (near durham) |
8th Feb, 2007 at 12:25:40pm
but if i cut them out would it make the wings and front panel less sturdy?
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447 Posts Member #: 668 Senior Member newton aycliffe (near durham) |
8th Feb, 2007 at 12:26:58pm
il try get some pics, just my phone is crap for photos!
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 9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
8th Feb, 2007 at 12:38:28pm
I'm still to be convinced of the benefits of brace bars.
Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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2514 Posts Member #: 1217 I like nice quiet girly Minis Cheltenham, Gloucestershire |
8th Feb, 2007 at 12:53:57pm
Good points but you try and convince an MOT inspector your right (which you probably are) and you may well be on a road to nowhere. Every day is a school day ...........
On 27th of Sep, 2007 at 12:45pm Jimster said:
why do you you think I got a girlfriend with small hands? |
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 807 Posts Member #: 224 Post Whore Katy TEXAS |
8th Feb, 2007 at 01:28:19pm
Brace bars 30 quid from minispares. If anything they keep the MOT man happy and you can mount stuff on them
Edited by Brocky on 8th Feb, 2007. BTW - I took my buddy VTEC Pete out for a spin this weekend, and even though I am running her in, he gave it a name, the "Brocket"...cause I'm a brocket maaannn, nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah....
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Forum Mod 5933 Posts Member #: 784 9 times Avon Park Class C winner Milton Keynes |
8th Feb, 2007 at 02:21:10pm
Wil, Ive seen massively distorted floorans from not having brace bars, these have been on high output engines.
I seriously doubt it! |
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9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
8th Feb, 2007 at 02:28:27pm
That dosent suprise me Paul, this is why I strentgthen the floors. I have brace bars too.
Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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Forum Mod 5933 Posts Member #: 784 9 times Avon Park Class C winner Milton Keynes |
8th Feb, 2007 at 02:50:57pm
Wil, agreed, I like what Fastcarl made for John Haston, its an alloy bar with rose joint on each end with brakets welded to the bulkhead for said rosejoints. Ill see if I can dig up a picture.
I seriously doubt it! |
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
8th Feb, 2007 at 06:37:53pm
On 8th of Feb, 2007 at 12:38pm wil_h said:
I'm still to be convinced of the benefits of brace bars. If you think about it from a suspension point of view, they do nothing. Also, as far as engine mountings go, they do nothing. They don't stop the subframe moving side-to-side as they have no strength in this direction. All that they do is stop the subframe pivoting on the top mounts under acceleration and braking. However, with solid mounts this isn't a problem. IMO, the front subframe mounts hold the front end up rather than the other way round (as is conventionally thought) Wil I would think they do a lot more than you think. Acceleration, breaking, steering loads etc will be spread over all the subframe mountings. If there really was no load on the front of the subframe, the teardrops would last forever. Even with tower mounts, all you are doing is increasing the loads placed on the bulkead section where the tower bolts up. For an experiment....unbolt your braces at the inner guard, and mark them somehow, and drive about for a while, to see if they leave any marks as to how far they actually move. Even when my car had stiff rubber floor mounts, std tear drops, and solid towers, there was some strange noises coming from the bulkhead area under hard acceleration etc. I never did find any signs of where the noise was coming from though. No way would I remove the front end, without bracing up the subframe. Id probably like more bracing than the 2 simple bars too ( or at least strengthen the inner guard where they bolt up. ) 9.85 @ 145mph
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9th Feb, 2007 at 12:13:23am
Hi,
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9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
9th Feb, 2007 at 06:36:14am
On 8th of Feb, 2007 at 12:38pm wil_h said:
All that they do is stop the subframe pivoting on the top mounts under acceleration and braking. However, with solid mounts this isn't a problem. Yes I agree, as you can see this is what I said originally. What I'm getting at is that with well designed solid floor mounts and a sensible strengthening plus good solid top mounts the brace bars do less of a job. I really wanted to get people thinkling about what they do. I think mods to the subframe and floor mounts could eliminate their use entirely, but brace bars are an easy fit option. I do have brace bars, but I reckon their 50% of their job is for mounting my front end and making the wiring a bit neater. Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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60 Posts Member #: 1066 Advanced Member germany |
10th Feb, 2007 at 05:39:57pm
I think this is the pic you mentioned |
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2514 Posts Member #: 1217 I like nice quiet girly Minis Cheltenham, Gloucestershire |
10th Feb, 2007 at 05:53:07pm
Just so many nice details on that car! Every day is a school day ...........
On 27th of Sep, 2007 at 12:45pm Jimster said:
why do you you think I got a girlfriend with small hands? |
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
10th Feb, 2007 at 08:57:42pm
Very nice.....oddly clipped fan though. 9.85 @ 145mph
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