dont know where to post this so here it goes...(rad and ic Q)
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right as i am still trying to work out what to do on the intercooler and rad situation for my mini, as people seem to like the front mount rad alot and front mount intercooler...
i would still like to keep as much of my front end as posible, i just had the crazy idea of... using a front mount rad with a fan on it and a side mount intercooler where the rad used to be by the engine fan and haveing an auxilery eltric fan also blowing to the intercooler.

am i being comleatly retarded or would this kind of work?

p.s i didnt know where to put this so i posted it in general chat i wasent sure if it would be under help needed or technical chat, please could a admin or a mod move it to the correct section or keep it here it its ok here

yours paul

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Thing is your then blowing hotter engine bay air, thats been through the rad through the IC then. Which cant be good imo

It would have to be ducted.

Hi,
Other option would be a charge cooler.
Put you engine rad and charge cooler rad up front, then put the charge cooler in the space where the side rad would go...
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Usually you'll find intercoolers in front of the engine cooler.
I saw a Fiat Cinq project where guys used the car heater exhancher as an additional engine one, they modified the air path to have a good air extraction from the heater. This would allow using a front intercooler.

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Im using a front rad now with a charge cooler exactly how Bat has described.

Although you can easily fit a front rad and cossie IC up front if your willing to cut a bit out of your bonnet and fit MJ?

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Side mount IC's DO work!!

I'm not saying they are as good as front mount but I dont think they are as bad as people make out. I would be careful of the hot air from the rad though. I have always wondered about front mount IC's and where the air goes.. does it just pile into the engine bay and leak out of the gaps? I think I would cut a grille in the right wing to help airflow but would that rob a side mount radiator of air?? Not a problem with a front mount.


Heres mine, it took intake temps down 40 degrees or so, no scoops or fans but not bad I thought.

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=178211

before I installed it I was thinking about fans etc. but once I saw the results I didn't bother, I may attempt a scoop though...

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i was planning on using a mj anyways because its more cost effective than a dizzy setup. but it wouldnt be just hot air going into the engine bay, there there are fans ducting air from the nearside wing wouldnt it still stay cool. and which is more important really a good rad or a good ic? not only would this keep the engine temps down alot more than a side mount rad you also get a bonus of cooler intake temperatures as well.
even if it was warm air wouldnt it be cooler than the boosted air out of the turbo??

i dont perticually want to use a chargecooler as they cost so damn much, i dont have as much money by far to wack on this project as most people on here do due to being an aprentice. and i was hopeing to try and keep the car looking like its all show no go

Edited by Paul R on 3rd Jan, 2008.

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Ducting is your friend

ducting is what i was going to do anyway get the rad as far ver to the offside as posible and then duct air to the ic, through the front and the nearside inner wing. would it help the intake temps? or would i be better off cutting bit and having a front mount ic and a side mount rad??

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To be honest its what you look at as a priority

Ive got a side mount and it will get hot if i hold it flat out for long periods, but i dont spend any time flat out on dual carriage ways as we have none around here.

Where as on the way to newquay last year i was amazed how well front mounted rad mini's keep cool

However this year im going to keep my intercooler up front and duct the radiator properly

How much boost are you planning on running (or how much power)?
If your not planning on running loads of boost 12psi or so, then stick the rad up front (but make sure you dont end up with an interheater)

Edited by Nic on 3rd Jan, 2008.

As Nic says its priorities,
I have a side mount rad because with the engine tilt I need to use without a turbo box its tight up front. The side mount 2core (with an aux rad) just about holds up on 96 degF days here in the States but I would like a bit in reserve so I am also looking at shrouds and a bigass fan. Also looking at a frontmount Intercooler it seemed to me that unless you cut extra holes etc. in the hood half of the IC is covered and I want the car to look pretty much stock.

I also decided that an auxilliary rad was more important than an oil cooler, my oil temps were fine even after thrashing it on a hot day so I now use my 13row oil cooler mounted in the usual place as an Aux radiator.

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im planning on having about 10psi boost, slightly dished pistons and a benross head probably 1.3 roler rockers mg metro cam or a 266 and megajolt, i want to be able to use the car on longish journeys swindon to reading and swindon to combe ect. so do you think i should keep a side mount rad and go for a front mount ic instead? and try and keep all the cuttings hidden?

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id front mount the rad if i were you, making sure there is space to get air to the intercooler that hasnt been through the rad

tel-I found when i fitted my oil cooler my water temps dropped slightly

Edited by Nic on 3rd Jan, 2008.

Edited by Turbo Tel on 3rd Jan, 2008.

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another question then is which would get hotter? and if i had a front mount intercooler it would be placed pritty much where i would put the rad so either way i will probably be loosing out??

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I think I would prefer the air from the IC getting into the rad rather than the other way round.

I would say that the water cooling is about getting around without overheating and maybe breaking down, the IC is more about performance,

In my book water cooling comes first, but thats my book!

Terry

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cheers, i want the performance as well to be there but i also want some reliability :), i geuss i will have to give it a shot to see how it works and weather i can block the ic off from the hot air from the rad

Edited by Paul R on 3rd Jan, 2008.

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