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After getting a run in Jay's mini I am competely convinced of the turbo. Now question is what spec will be best. I liked in his car that with the boost turned down it was no fuss (perfect for twisty narrow roads) but on high boost felt impressive (perfect for traffic light GP's lol).

So far all I have is a standard 1275 block, crank and rods.

Now what spec should I be aiming for? He is running an R5 turbo on a mirage manifold. I aim to use the same manifold, though a few people reccommended I ask here about alternative turbo's that will do my job better. Somethig with little lag is my aim.

I also have got my hands on a Sierra Cosworth intercooler for free, I assume this will do my job?

All your help is gratefully recieved!

TTFN Pete




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gt15? or a gt17? both meant to be good turbos, the smaller of the numbers being the smaller turbo. i think someone was mocking a gt17 onto a mirage manifold im right in saying.

an expert will be over soon to give you some details i suspect. *tongue*

or do a quick search?

On 17th Feb, 2011 apbellamy said:
I popped my first one out the other day...


big_pete

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I have searched so much I have started to confuse myself lol!

Thanks, will have a look for those turbos

TTFN Pete




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http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=358292

any help?

On 17th Feb, 2011 apbellamy said:
I popped my first one out the other day...


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double post :$

Edited by Rick.SPI on 18th May, 2010.

On 17th Feb, 2011 apbellamy said:
I popped my first one out the other day...


big_pete

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excellent Rick!

TTFN Pete




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and some gt15 info:

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=175013

:)

On 17th Feb, 2011 apbellamy said:
I popped my first one out the other day...


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Pete, what sort of fabrication skills do you have and how brave are you? You could fab a manifold yourself in mild steel and save yourself buying then modding a Mirage setup if your going the GT route. I would fancy a nice over the clutch housing manifold and a gt turbo myself!

As far as engine spec goes, 100-120bhp should be pretty easy to get on a fairly stock motor with 10-12psi put through it.

Edited by Jay#2 on 19th May, 2010.

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On 19th May, 2010 Jay#2 said:
You could fab a manifold yourself in mild steel and save yourself buying then modding a Mirage setup if your going the GT route. I would fancy a nice over the clutch housing manifold and a gt turbo myself!


im working on a little something, and from testing, i wouldnt use mild, it rust like a bitch, need to use quite thick stuff (weight) and looses alot of heat from the exhaust gasses, the only advantage over stainless i have found is it doesnt expand anywhere near as much, 1.5-2.5 mm stainless seems to give best results

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Using mild steel ( or black iron ) for a turbo manifold is fine, and rust is not a concern at all.

The temperatures seen mean that it will never get damp enough for rust to occur that is worth worrying about.

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On 20th May, 2010 stevieturbo said:
Using mild steel ( or black iron ) for a turbo manifold is fine, and rust is not a concern at all.

The temperatures seen mean that it will never get damp enough for rust to occur that is worth worrying about.


True if you use it every day but most TurboMinis are either in bits or sit on the drive or in a damp garage for 11 months of the year.

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On the road for a whole month Paul? Nice to see there are still some optimists out there.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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On 20th May, 2010 apbellamy said:
On the road for a whole month Paul? Nice to see there are still some optimists out there.


I've been using mine regularly since July last year! But you ragamuffins don't know how to treat them*happy*

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1. Clutch in
2. Select 1st
3. Throttle to the floor
4. Slide foot of clutch sideways
5. Rebuild engine

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.


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Just as an example though, and I know this is all a bit tonge in cheek, but I have a maniflow LCB on my mini. It has been on for at least 10 years. Of that 10 years it has lived almost unused for about 7 of them. Occasionally started and that is it. The LCB is in fine condition. This is thin walled mild so I can't see a thick walled turbo manifold rusting any time soon.

Well this is how I have justified it to myself as I am making a mild one....

On 20th May, 2010 Paul S said:

On 20th May, 2010 stevieturbo said:
Using mild steel ( or black iron ) for a turbo manifold is fine, and rust is not a concern at all.

The temperatures seen mean that it will never get damp enough for rust to occur that is worth worrying about.


True if you use it every day but most TurboMinis are either in bits or sit on the drive or in a damp garage for 11 months of the year.

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Stainless is the material of choice but I suggested mild for ease of fabrication. It would just seem a shame to sink £350 for a mirage setup to chop it up if your able to make something yourself.

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On 20th May, 2010 Paul S said:

On 20th May, 2010 stevieturbo said:
Using mild steel ( or black iron ) for a turbo manifold is fine, and rust is not a concern at all.

The temperatures seen mean that it will never get damp enough for rust to occur that is worth worrying about.


True if you use it every day but most TurboMinis are either in bits or sit on the drive or in a damp garage for 11 months of the year.


Ive a couple of manifolds that have been lying in my garage for my old RV8 TT for some 4-5 years now.
The rust on them is actually minimal.

Mild steel is perfectly fine and a little easier to work with. And as stated, doesnt expand/contract just quite as much.

Although TBH, if someone made a manifold that fitted and was decent quality, I'd prob just buy it myself. I cant be arsed with fabricating stuff anymore lol Usuall turns out a mess too *happy*

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i beleive matty was/is making manifolds


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I would imagine everything involving Matty and the development of mini parts can now be referred to in the past tense *tongue*

On 12th Nov, 2009 Paul S said:

I think Gary OS has taken over my role as the forum smart arse *happy*


On 30th Apr, 2010 Rod S said:
Gary's description is best


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oh yeah the baby forgot about that.....


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On 20th May, 2010 stevieturbo said:



Mild steel is perfectly fine and a little easier to work with. And as stated, doesnt expand/contract just quite as much.


i just re read what i wrote first time round, and i think i was a little critical, i made out the rust would eat the manifold in a few weeks or so, when in actual fact i will take years, but ill still stand by the rusting being a downside, i have settled on my sidemounts being stainless, for a couple reasons, and obviously stainless is worth more in the pub horsepower stakes

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rusting is as much an issue with a cast iron manifold as it is with a properly fabricated steel manifold.

ie, it isnt.

As for the cosmetics....you could have ot ceramic coated which will bump up the pub HP a little.

In fact....if considering such coatings, using stainless as a base almost seems totally pointless.

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