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58 Posts Member #: 1724 PRIZE WANKER. |
14th May, 2007 at 12:55:34pm
Hi to all you Mini Turbo-ing experts & enthusiasts!
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5795 Posts Member #: 80 AFRacing LTD Newbury, Berks |
14th May, 2007 at 01:18:17pm
Why?!?!
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Site Admin  15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
14th May, 2007 at 01:25:15pm
It could well work though, mind you probably not THAT much better than a carb?
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
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1303 Posts Member #: 30 Post Whore Epsom, Surrey |
14th May, 2007 at 01:25:45pm
personaly i wouldnt go for a big over bore and the injection would be better using megajolt stuff. either way its a lot of work |
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 9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
14th May, 2007 at 01:26:19pm
I'm with Alex on this one.
Edited by wil_h on 14th May, 2007. Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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 1849 Posts Member #: 672 The oversills police Oslo, Norway |
14th May, 2007 at 01:48:33pm
lots of wrong info here.
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58 Posts Member #: 1724 PRIZE WANKER. |
14th May, 2007 at 06:30:27pm
On 14th of May, 2007 at 01:18pm AlexF2003 said:
Why?!?! Its ancient technology. Alex We have the car, we have the turbo & the Kugel, we have the 1480 block .. and MFi is a doddle compared with EFi .. plus we want to make it easier for the lad's 1st project OK? |
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58 Posts Member #: 1724 PRIZE WANKER. |
14th May, 2007 at 06:33:47pm
On 14th of May, 2007 at 01:25pm Tom Fenton said:
It could well work though, mind you probably not THAT much better than a carb? Have you considered Bosch K-Jet mech injection (also known as crap flap!!) it is fitted to lots of mid 80's cars, VW Golf GTI before about 1987, Escort RS Turbo up to 1990 I believe, as well as lots of others, Volvos, VW's, Audis etc. May be a better system in terms of ease of finding information and sourcing parts than the Kugelfischer system, plus the advantage is that if you get the parts from such as an Escort turbo you will have a setup designed for a 4 cylinder turbocharged car, hence you are already half way there in effect. Well, we did consider blowing through Webers (we have a pair spare) but the plenuming etc put us off .. The man who did the injection system for our rallycross car says that, provided we get the right head, he can easily fit injectors. |
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58 Posts Member #: 1724 PRIZE WANKER. |
14th May, 2007 at 06:36:14pm
On 14th of May, 2007 at 01:26pm wil_h said:
I'm with Alex on this one. But easiest crossflow head is the minisport 7-port. Edit: see below, I wrote spares not sport. typo really. We've been warned off those 7-port heads. We want high induction velocity for max torque, not just greater induction volumes. Thinking of using a small charge-cooler ,, we have one from a Lotus-Carlton under the bench somewhere |
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58 Posts Member #: 1724 PRIZE WANKER. |
14th May, 2007 at 06:38:57pm
On 14th of May, 2007 at 01:25pm Tom Fenton said:
May be a better system in terms of ease of finding information and sourcing parts than the Kugelfischer system, Bosch who own Kulgel these days, say that parts availability isn't too bad .. don't know yet what size plunger/pistons we'll need though .. think the ones in there are 7mm |
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58 Posts Member #: 1724 PRIZE WANKER. |
14th May, 2007 at 06:41:13pm
On 14th of May, 2007 at 01:48pm miniminor63 said:
megasquirt is good do-it-yourself injection solutions. T :) Yes, we're thinking of our own mega-squirt system:) It's the cylinder head that we need to find. Anyone heard of "Elder cross-flow heads" ? Think they're from down-under .. |
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1849 Posts Member #: 672 The oversills police Oslo, Norway |
14th May, 2007 at 06:42:30pm
yes, they cost a little more than the 7 porter, but are supposed to be good. Marcel in Canada has one on his test engine. Ken himself has posted on this forum a couple of times. |
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58 Posts Member #: 1724 PRIZE WANKER. |
14th May, 2007 at 06:48:10pm
On 14th of May, 2007 at 06:42pm miniminor63 said:
yes, they cost a little more than the 7 porter, but are supposed to be good. Marcel in Canada has one on his test engine. Ken himself has posted on this forum a couple of times. Cheers, André That's encouraging .. and I think that they also do manifolds for turbos ? Are they lots of $AUS ????? |
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58 Posts Member #: 1724 PRIZE WANKER. |
14th May, 2007 at 06:51:12pm
Of course, y'all know that heat's a mega-problem. Oil cooling's going to have to be ace, as is engine/water cooling. Maybe 100% glycol would be better .. higher Specific-heat ... Edited by ppj_racing on 14th May, 2007. |
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58 Posts Member #: 1724 PRIZE WANKER. |
14th May, 2007 at 06:52:59pm
Anyone running a dry-sump set-up ? |
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58 Posts Member #: 1724 PRIZE WANKER. |
14th May, 2007 at 06:55:15pm
One nice thing about the Kugelfischer is that with it, it's easy to throw extra fuel in, to help the engine run cooler .... and guess what? .... some methanol might just spill itself into the tank:)
Edited by ppj_racing on 14th May, 2007. |
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 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
14th May, 2007 at 06:59:34pm
I'm all for innovative ideas, but have you fully considered the use of electronic fuel injection?
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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 2500 Posts Member #: 648 Post Whore Northern Ireland (ex AUS) |
14th May, 2007 at 07:03:15pm
Yes elder is registered on here...
On 14th of May, 2007 at 06:41pm ppj_racing said:
Yes, we're thinking of our own mega-squirt system:) It's the cylinder head that we need to find. Anyone heard of "Elder cross-flow heads" ? Think they're from down-under .. On 7th Nov, 2008 Nic said:
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58 Posts Member #: 1724 PRIZE WANKER. |
14th May, 2007 at 07:04:14pm
On 14th of May, 2007 at 06:59pm Axel said:
I'm all for innovative ideas, but have you fully considered the use of electronic fuel injection? There is a wealth of expertise and support on the net. Have a look at the Megasquirt DIY fuel injection website and forums. To my mind, the electronic solution is much simpler than a mechanical system Hmmmm ... tempting .. but we don't want to chuck the Kugel not sure that EFi is necessarily simpler, and certainly not cheaper as we've already got most of the kit to MFi ... it's the head that's crucial. Yup, we realise that there's info everywhere ..but we were pointed here from another forum, or rather, our lad was ! Off now to watch dear old Tiff Thanks all for your help so far ..please keep it coming ... Edited by ppj_racing on 14th May, 2007. |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
14th May, 2007 at 07:22:28pm
I'm confident that we will have an efficient fuel injection system for the 5 port head within 12 months.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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58 Posts Member #: 1724 PRIZE WANKER. |
15th May, 2007 at 12:40:00pm
On 14th of May, 2007 at 07:22pm Axel said:
I'm confident that we will have an efficient fuel injection system for the 5 port head within 12 months. If you've not done it already, read up on the siamesed port code in the injection section. EFI on a 5 port has to be simpler and cheaper than MFI on an eight port. Hmmmm ..... have you tested in a turbo system? From other info we've had, we're looking at using an ELDER cross-flow-head .. for easier exhaust manifolding for the turbo |
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 4559 Posts Member #: 786 Post Whore Bermingum |
15th May, 2007 at 05:51:56pm
Hi,
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58 Posts Member #: 1724 PRIZE WANKER. |
15th May, 2007 at 08:42:36pm
On 15th of May, 2007 at 05:51pm Bat said:
Hi, It's not been tested on an engine at all so far, but is designed with forced induction in mind 
Cheers, Gavin :) Maybe we could be the guinea-pig ... for a consideration
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4314 Posts Member #: 700 Formerly British Open Classic The West Country |
15th May, 2007 at 09:28:44pm
On 14th of May, 2007 at 06:52pm ppj_racing said:
Anyone running a dry-sump set-up ? I think Pete, aka mini1071s, was building a dry sump set up, although I don't know if he got it running or not. http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=7614 Isambard Kingdom Brunel said:
Nothing is impossible if you are an Engineer |
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715 Posts Member #: 1381 Post Whore Doncaster, South Yorkshire |
15th May, 2007 at 09:54:20pm
Very interesting, perhaps you could have a word with pete ( 1071 s ) and when you get it sorted you could point us in the right direction. The dry sump option would be a great benefit to give the ultimate in power and reliability.
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